Dan John on Teaching Gyms, Swing Quality and Eating Like an Adult

You know, the old thing, when the student is ready, the teacher appears. Usually what's happening is I'm mulling the idea for a while. I'll be like, okay, to use the phrase from economics, I'll be trending in a certain direction. And then something, either read an article or reread something. Usually, most of the time, it's rereading something. You're listening to the Restoring Human Movement podcast, where movement experts discuss the latest evidence-based practices to help you and your clients move with mastery. And now, your host, Dr. Sebastian Gonzales. Hey, everyone. It's Dr. Sebastian Gonzales, your host for the Restoring Human Movement podcast.

Thanks for joining the Movement Movement. This is your first time on the show. Welcome. You've jumped into a part two series. So please go back to last week and listen to part one. Don't even continue on this one. Just go straight back to part two, or sorry, part one of the Dan John interview. So in this interview, I don't know if you can tell from last week, I really, I'm not, I'm not trying to really get strength information from him as much. Because there's been a lot of people who have interviewed him over time where I don't, I feel like you can listen to anyone else's podcast and get that same information.

So I'm trying to get other deeper parts that we can get, maybe what he really thinks and the reasons behind them. So I'm hoping I got as much as I can of that, but I'm sure there's deeper, deeper walls to dig in there. So if this is your first time listening, again, go back to the old archives. There's a lot of great information back there. And this whole podcast is about improving our communication style between our doctor and patient and just improving our patient's outcome, whatever way that we possibly can. As usual, I will share a little short story about myself so you guys can understand who your host is and hopefully like me and follow along with the journey.

So I believe everyone likes to like their host. So we're going to get into a short story real quickly and then back into the second part of the interview with Dan John. So recently I've been doing a lot more videoing. It's hard to be a videographer. We've been videoing lots of videos for YouTube, Instagram, as well as some of the courses that we put together too. And the cool thing with at least being the videographer is that I kind of know what I'm looking for, but also I can't be in front of the camera at the same time. So, but I've done some videos for people and I forgot like every time, because we don't do it for like months at a time, but every time I forget how much leg strength and endurance you need to be a videographer or a camera person.

Like you squat down these odd positions, get these weird angles, kind of lean in and so on. And so I had one of my friends actually do it for me. It was his first time. And so he started doing like his weird lean over thing. Like we have this gimbal and everything and a DSLR camera, which is a larger camera, not, you know, a phone. And so he starts kind of leaning over into this, the gimbal tends to like get wonky and like freak out if you bend it too much, 90 degrees. And so I was like, man, just squat down. He's like, dude, my legs are burning. I'm like, I know it's a workout. It's great. So I thought that story would be a good one at least that what we talked about with Dan last week with movement options.

So just become a videographer. You'll get a lot of leg strength that way. And I think you'd be happy with the results. Massive jeggings. Now into the interview. I've never had a patient do it before. And I go, it's a miracle, isn't it? You tell me to do something, I do it, and I get better. That's my vision for almost everything in life. Yeah. A little and often on the long haul. Yeah. It takes a lot of dedication, and it also takes a lot of refraining from doing extra, extra, hard, hard. And if you don't mind me talking about my home gym, I see my home gym like a teaching hospital. So it's real hard at my gym for me to tell you what the workout's going to be.

Like, say if you fly out to hang out for a couple of days. Well, what kind of workout do I do? Well, it really depends because what we like to do is work as an intentional community. So when you come in, and honestly, I want you to be honest right now. Seb, tell me something you would like to work on in the weight room with me. And with you, you know, I could joke with you and say split squats. Okay. Squat. Well, that means I'm sitting there. You say, you know, I'm not a very good squatter. I need to improve my squat. Guess what that means for all of us today? Yeah. We're all doing it. We're all going to be practicing and getting better at the squat.

And if someone raised their hand and says, I'm getting ready for a kettlebell cert and I've got to do the, you know, the hundred snatches. We all go like this. Because we all know that we're going to help that person prepare for the snatch. And then, so today's workout is going to be working on the particulars of the goblet squat to the overhead squat and some kettlebell snatch work. So, and the idea is that then you leave with the, with what you learned and then you share it with your community. And we slowly make, I hate to say the world a better place, but that's what I mean. We slowly build up, you know, I've had people come in.

Sometimes it's kind of sad that one of the guys is a regular, you know, he's overcoming cancer. Actually, we have two regulars overcoming cancer and sometimes they need to work out. They got to work out the face of their wife, the way their kids are scared. They've got to work that out of their system. They don't, they don't want to talk. You know, we, that, that's a good day to do something hard like a humane burpee or something like that to, you know, some, some crazy kind of four minute test, a six minute thing or something like that. Because they don't need to talk anymore. They need to blow stuff out of them.

And so sometimes I think we're a healing community. During this time of the virus, so many people who've been to my gym for so many years have emailed me. And we're not just talking about Utah, we're talking about all over the world, literally, about I didn't understand completely what you meant by a teaching gym until all of a sudden I was in a situation where I have to work online with every client or I have to Zoom or Skype with every client or email somebody who wants to kill everyone in their family because they've never been around them so long. Yeah. It's a delight and it's a joy. You know, when Men's Health called it America's Top Gym, what they were trying to get across and it, and I thought it worked okay, but most people missed the point, was that what we're trying to do in my gym is not just the 10 of us get in better shape, but we go out and we become little evangelists about doing movements more correctly.

Oh, no, better, moving better. Not hurting people, trying to make the world a better place, I guess, with fitness, yeah. Well, so do you think that, and I was actually, I was curious, because you've been around a long time now, have you seen an actual change in that direction then? Like, are the efforts bearing fruit or is this like an endless cycle of new people coming up with new random stuff rather than compiling old information that's useful and then improving on it? You know, it's like, it's kind of like the virus. There are hot spots where things are going really well. I did a workshop over in, I think it was Norway.

And there was another one in Denmark too, where everybody came in and if, if the person had never read my work, their trainer had. And so when I would say something, they would go, that's what Seb says. Yeah. And I would notice that the quality of movement was pretty darn good. And I would notice that the, yeah, just give me a workout. That's what I'm here for. I want to, you know, I want to show off in front of all those people and never see you again. That, that attitude is gone. So, yeah, you see it in, I think you see it in the kettlebell community in some places, not ever. You see it with a company called FitRanks with Nick Rains.

You see it certainly with Tim Anderson in Original Strength. Tim's wonderful about this, about, you know, his motto is, it feels good to feel good. That's, that's a delight. I mean, you could put that on the wall of your practice tonight. You know, it feels good to feel good. And yeah, so, and we'll always, we'll always be bashing our head against, you know, people who want to look good naked. There's nothing wrong with that. But as I tell the young men, you know, have dental hygiene, learn how to dance and learn how to talk to a woman like she's a human person. And, and you'll do a lot better than you're worrying about your abs, okay?

Yeah. Well, the abs are only good if you know the certain poses and angles of the light, too. Well, and I don't want to be at a wedding with a guy showing off his abs, okay? Yeah. I'm just saying, you know. You know, funny, actually, she, you brought up the, like, patches of things. And so we, I have a good friend that he, like, so we go, we work out together once in a while, but he works out at a gym. I won't name any of the gyms, but he works at this one place where he's been going there for many years. And that's actually where we first met, too. And so I eventually, I have a gym at my office, and I like doing stuff outside.

I like doing a variety of things, so sometimes you run and so on. And so he just gives me, like, all of the, man, I can't believe they're doing this at the gym, right? And I'm like, yeah, you know, here's just some thoughts on it. So we discuss it and so on. And so I was asking Allie one time, I'm like, I wonder how he feels going to that gym, knowing that everything that he's doing is really not what he wants to do anymore. Because he must be, either he's not listening to anything I have to say in the conversation, or he's just soaking it in. And finally, the gym, they asked him for, they asked everybody for feedback, how are we doing?

And so he sent this long email, it was very well put together, and it was actually all the stuff that we had discussed. And I thought, man, he was listening, like, and, and I think he had a really good grasp of, of what he was doing, because he's, he's 50. He's not like, you know, he's not a spring chicken anymore. But it was, it was interesting to see that, that, that our interaction had taken him that direction. And I think his fitness will change, and his goals will change, too, you know? Yeah, that's, that's, in fact, and please applaud him for the fact that he, he, he sent an honest and candid email, and that helps.

You know, I'll ask for feedback sometimes, and all I get is, well, the bathroom was too cold, you know, I couldn't, I was in the back row, you know, in a 10,000 seat place, with plenty of empty seats in front of me, and I couldn't hear very well. That's how I feel about baseball games, so I just moved to the front. That's right. But honest and candid feedback. I, I, I note this, especially on the website. So I did this, I wrote this thing called the 10,000 swing challenge a couple years ago, and it's big right now, because of people at home with the virus, because of the virus. And when I, when we did it originally, the workout scheme was 10 swings, 15 swings, 25, and then 50 swings.

And it worked great for me and Mike, because we're both big engine guys who are kettlebell certified, kettlebell instructors. And so we can pull off 50 swings. Well, it was N equals two. And what we needed was feedback from people. So I, then I morphed it into 15 and 35. And then later I realized the, the quality of the swing is far more important than the rep count. So just get up to, if, if you're going to do the 10,000 swing challenge, which I not necessarily need to, I'm not saying do it, but if you do that, you know, the first, maybe the first set, you get the 13, you feel the quality dropping off, bell down.

Next set, you build yourself up to 25, put it down. 31, 48, build yourself up to the 500. But I only learned that because of good feedback. When you look at my best training programs, I, I'm sure I could pull, you know, I have journals going back to 1971. I'm sure I could re-knit most of the stories about how we got to this program. Most of the stories would take maybe three and four years at a time. The one lift a day program was 1990, but I only really think I nailed it by about 96. It took about six, seven years to package it so I could share it with people who I wasn't standing right next to.

Yeah. The transformation program was caused because I was at a very academic school and the athletes didn't have very much time. So I just said, what's the simplest, easiest thing I can put together? And we ended up having nine and 10 minute weight workouts and some of the best production in my, in my coaching career. 10 minute weight workouts, 15 minute throwing workouts, an hour a day. So, so when you come to the, actually the epiphanies of some of these, say 10,000 swing challenge and rules of eight and eating 13, 18 vegetables, are you, are you sitting here thinking about it? Or is it like a moment's notice?

Like, okay, I was just somewhere. Yeah. You know, the old, the old thing, uh, when the student is ready, the teacher appears, uh, very, usually what's happening is I'm mulling the idea for a while. I'll, I'll be like, okay, I'm, uh, to use the phrase from economics, I'll be trending in a certain direction and then something, either read an article or reread something. Um, one of the things I tried to do at the start of every one of my new journals, well, for example, okay, this, this pirate map is the pirate map I shared with you in Portland. It's also on the back of my computer. So when I came, when this pirate map came on, uh, there's five parts to it, uh, sleep ritual, wake up and be grateful.

One moment meditation, daily work on original strength. Um, my programming at the gym with, uh, Ben eat eight different vegetables a day. And then I'll have stuff up here. I always type up at the start of a new journal stuff. I'm mentally kind of going to think of, you know, trend. These are my trends as I get the new journal. As you can see, I probably, I'm probably, I probably six months away from a new journal. And at the end of the six months, I'll go, well, okay, can I read these off to you? What's yeah. It's going to break news pretty soon. Uh, intermittent fast, drink your coffee, Yerrick, your writing workout.

That's how I start every day. I fast, I drink coffee. Yerrick is the term that, uh, uh, uh, when you train Raptors, when they're hungry and they're like, that's called Yerrick. And that's how I like to work in the morning. So if I haven't eaten and I drink coffee, um, number two, fibers and veggies first, number three is here's something I haven't been very good about. Fish is your friend. Hmm. Uh, supplement ideas. Metformin. Uh, I took, I started taking that. Uh, I asked my doctor if I could, because I read that it was good for longevity. And as you know, um, had my brother died before I gave the workshop?

I think he just did. I think he did. Yeah, he did. He did. Cause we were wondering if he'd want to go to, you just came from LA. I think. Is that where you went? Yeah. Oh, he was right after. Yeah. So it's, I'm very concerned about my longevity because my family died. Uh, I got melatonin here. I don't take it. Uh, ZMA. I used to take it. Fish oil. I take it. I got curcumin here, but I don't, I'm sure I just read an article that curcumin was good. Uh, yeah, here's another one. Uh, number five, more tea, more hot water and lemon. Uh, I've gotten, I was very good. I've been very good about tea in the afternoon, but the hot water and lemon, I got to remind myself when I drink hot water with lemon in it, I find it refreshing.

So I do that. And so you can, I don't know if you notice that where I'm at right now in my career, I'm trying to get a little smarter about nutrition. I took variety's nutrition course. I've been trying to read up on good nutrition. It was hard to find. So the next, so I'm trying to simplify supplements down for my audiences. And to do that, I have to try them myself. I have to kind of have N equals one, you know, uh, experiences. I have to make sure I talk to smart people about them. And then I'll say, if, if I can't do it as daily habit, then I can't do it. I can't expect you to either. Do you, do you have any, I mean, okay.

Supplements, supplement. If you haven't slept, eat your veggies, eat your protein, drink your water, done some kind of training. I don't want to hear about stuff, but do you have any supplements that you, you find that game changing? Um, I, I don't know yet. There's there. Um, I, when it comes to supplements, actually, I just typically say when, so Ali has grown up, like I call her the hippie, right? Family's hippie and stuff. And so once every couple of years, she's like, Hey, did you try it? Like, we should try this because I grew up in it and it worked for us. And I said, okay. And then two years later, I'm like, Hey, there's this.

And she's like, I told you that two years ago. And so now whatever Ali says, take, I say, okay. And so there's some digestive enzymes, enzymes, multivitamins. Um, and, uh, there's a couple other things. I honestly, I don't know what they are because I do trust her judgment. So, well, I'm supplemented now, uh, because of the virus with sauerkraut every day. Oh, nice. Uh, and because sauerkraut, uh, of course, Tiff and I, I try to eat eight different vegetables every day. And you know that I try to avoid certain things cause I don't think I digest them. I'm 63. So, you know, the rules change, but, uh, you know, I'm reading Maffetone who I have great respect for, you know, Phil Maffetone, if you know his work, I mean, absolutely.

They make mint, you know, um, I've, uh, I, I, I, the place I usually get kimchi at isn't there anymore. So I just decided, you know, a couple of forkfuls of a sauerkraut every day because that the fermented food on, from what I read is good for your, uh, gut biome, your, your, your gut, your family of gut guys. So that's pretty simple to swallow a couple sauerkraut or just put it on the plate with your meal. So to me, I'm looking at what I've noticed in my life in the past few years and I'm starting to, can you see how I'm starting to move towards recommendations about food? Now, really quick break from the show.

Something I've been working on recently is online workshops. Okay. They're recorded. They're not CE based, but part of the, part of the experience that I had was with putting on a webinar recently was that some of the students, as well as other doctors or clinicians want to jump on this patient webinar that I was putting on. And I said, this information isn't for you guys. And they're like, well, we're, we're, we want to learn something. And I said, okay, so I'll put on a separate thing for you guys. And so I put on a little webinar there and people were interested actually when I had to say it, surprisingly.

Um, so what this is going to be is there is going to be periodically new workshops that are pre-recorded placed up on my website, p2sportscare.com in the store. Um, I'm going to cover some different topics that you guys are probably going to be interested in. Please go to the store to see what is available. Um, these are going to be recorded live, uh, via a webinar with attendees as well. What I'm offering is, is to have only a few people kind of go under my wing, uh, at least looking for guidance because I've had a lot of people reach out and ask about what should I be doing for this case? Maybe what should I do for this one?

How do I use that type of technique or method? I'd love to help, but I can't help everybody. So if you're looking for my help in direct one-on-one creating a relationship and kind of similar to how my past interns can reach out to me anytime and ask a question and we speak a similar language and we have similar skill sets, that's what I'm looking to build here. So if you have that same goal to be able to improve your patient outcome, but not really go to a workshop because all the workshops are kind of, they're going to be put down for a while I'm assuming because we can't gather in a lot of places, uh, this is going to be the right thing for you.

So if you have questions, please reach out to me on info at p2sportscare.com or go to Instagram. That is at performance HB. Now back to the show. Here's my recommendation about food. Okay. Real quick. Eat like an adult. That's number one. For God's sake, if you need comfort food, come over here. I'll slap you. Um, you know, you don't, you don't need a, a, a cartoon character on a box of cereal. You don't really need that. Number two, eat protein, eat veggies, drink water. Number three, you really should occasionally fast. And number four, really, uh, from Arnold stay hungry sometimes. It's just, it's just hunger.

It's not, it's, you're not dying. But what I want to do is I want a fifth one. So I've been looking for a fifth one and I'm starting to think the insight might be by by kimchi, by sauerkraut, by something and just add it to your plate a couple of times a day. So that's how my, you asked about my process and I try to be as honest and candid as I. No, no, I like it. I like it. Yeah. Cause I'm, cause I'm trying to learn. I want to, I want to see, like you've come to come up with a lot of good and original things and, um, organization I think is a, is a hard thing for, um, I know me as I'm starting to learn new things, it's like, how do I organize this into it, into something that I can use, but also some of my patients and people I recommend to can use.

Are there a piece of advice? Yeah. Fibonacci numbers. So one, two, one plus two is three. Three plus two is five. Five plus three is eight. Eight plus five is 13, 21, 34, 55, 89. And that's as far as we go. Now I'm addicted to it. My football number was 89. My goal for the world record was 55 meters, 55 meters, 55 meters, 55 feet, 55 feet. Didn't get there, but I was close. Uh, so I love Fibonacci numbers. I break the year up into four 13 week periods. Okay. But when you're trying to come up with a way to help people do your best to stay in the numbers one, two, three, five, eight, people seem to be able to really, so that's why my problem with my, um, nutrition advice, and I've known it for a while.

So eat like an adult. Okay. Number two, protein, veggies, water. Uh, uh, three is, uh, you know, fast, you know, occasionally for to stay hungry, but five has been missing. So you see what I'm saying? I'm missing number five. It literally bothers my thinking. You could subtract one and go with three. Yeah. You could have been finished already. But so for me, it's what I'm trying to do. But see, the reason I, I need number five with the supplements is because so many people ask that question. I can give seven hour talk on the, the unimportance of nutrition and then 12 hour talk on the importance of nutrition handled up in the back.

What supplements should I take? So I need that. Yeah. You know, it's, from my recent talks with, uh, with a couple of colleagues, the, I think I bet the, the supplement thing is a depends and it's probably going to be blood-based, you know, deficiency. That is becoming a bigger and bigger deal, huh? Yeah. I think it's, I think it's hard, you know, like with, uh, I mean, if you're like, I don't even pretend to understand, um, blood work anymore. And, uh, I refer them out just cause I don't, I'm not good at it. And when I talk to the people about it, I'm like, holy shit, there's a lot of things I don't know.

And there's probably a lot of things that general population don't know. And it's like an intricate system, I guess, probably based upon the body is one unit. The blood is the blood work is kind of one thing too. And it's hard to just pick and choose. Oh, you're low in D let's give you D, you know, what I've been trying to do is then also apply this to, uh, so I'm a big believer in the Nordic diet. It shows up online. Sometimes I'll mention it in my wandering ways of people, you know, people in Norway are fat. That's yeah. That's okay. Good. You win, but it's a fish based diet with lots and lots of vegetables, raw, uh, some in cases, some fermented, it mixtures, great diet.

And then there's this thing that they do in Spain and Portugal. It's a charcuterie plate, charcuterie plate. Oh, that's like cheese. And, but what they do there is they include sardines, oysters, clam. So what I've done a few times, and it's not as popular in the homes, I think, but I'll put a can, and by the way, it's canned sardines and it's canned oysters. So I'm adding canned sardines, canned oysters. Yeah, we'll have the cheese. Yeah, we'll have the, the, the, you know, the processed meats. Yeah, we'll have the weird vegetables and stuff and the little spreads, the mustards and stuff, but also put sauerkraut on there because my thought process is, you know, the entire audience loves fish.

You mean like a pregnant lady? Like a pregnant lady, number five. You know what? I want you to follow up on that. If you don't mind, this is a, this is a challenge to you. And it'd be interesting because, you know, an athlete and a pregnant woman, you know, both are at a countdown, right? They're both in a countdown. There's, that's not bad. That's not bad. That's all I got. I think there's your book. Train like a pregnant lady. There you go. 40 weeks to a new life. Holy cow. That's not bad. That's not, now no one will buy it. That's not bad. 40 weeks to a new life. Yes. That's not bad. Yeah. I think that could be book, uh, book numbers.

Is that six there? For me, I think it's 14. 14 there. So you can make that. There you go. Yeah. It'll sell well too. Yeah. Actually, uh, just speaking of my books, um, this came out this last week. I don't know if you can see it, but it's the Chinese, the Chinese edition to never let go. Jeez. Well, that's a, that's not the, I've never seen the cover. I always get audio. Yeah. Oh, this, but this, no, that's not the cover of my book. Um, do I have a never let go? Oh yeah, you do. Hang on. Sorry, folks. By the way, let me know if you're, uh, if you're running out of time. I'm, I'm just bullshitting with you.

I might just cut this in two episodes. So that's the cover of Never Let Go. Oh yeah. That's a picture I share a lot of times. That's me doing a, that's fact. You can't, you can see, remember I talked about the broken wrist. You can see, uh, I can't, that's where I came up with bear hug carries because I couldn't, uh, I couldn't squeeze. Are those, are those hockey gloves on? No, those, those are, they look like it, but they're, uh, I live in Utah. So, uh, when you work outside, you generally have like a felt glove underneath and then the rough glove over the top. Um, cause that way, you know, like it's cold, there's, there's cold.

And then there's Utah, there's some days in Utah where it's, it's, it's shocking. I mean, I think we've got a guest. Yep. My wife's mom just pulled up, um, to get my dog. Um, yeah. So that, that's kind of funny. I get, so I am now, my books are now in Hungarian, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, German. Uh, the Portuguese edition is coming out. Uh, we have someone trying to do a Spanish edition of my books, but it's just, it's interesting. Um, I don't know. I did not realize that having a Spanish edition would bring in so many problems. Cause there's Spanish, Spain, Spanish. There's Mexican, Spanish, there's Colombian, Spanish, and they don't always, uh, work well together.

And I didn't know that I didn't. And that's been the problem with the Spanish transition. I, it's once you start talking about a book that goes, you know, to all 24 time zones, uh, people, if there's an issue, I didn't know. So I'm, I'm actually kind of curious with, cause you use a lot of analogies. Uh, how do they. Oh, the poor guy, the poor guy doing the Portuguese. Dan, I don't know what this word is. I made the word up, you know, I'll make up an exercise. Like, I think it was like blast your, you know, terrify your, you know, six weeks to terrifying your trapezius or something like that. He goes, I don't understand.

I looked up all these words. I don't get it. I go, okay, it's a joke. It's a bodybuilding thing. They always say, get an email the next day. He goes, oh, okay. Okay. I get it now. Okay. And so he's going to have to Portuguese up the joke. Yeah. That's going to be interesting to think that. I wonder if everybody thinks the Portuguese joke is as funny or not funny as the original joke. Well, according to my daughters are not funny at all. So that works out just great. Uh, and sometimes the translations I've been told are not good. Uh, because, uh, because I tell stories, because I make up words constantly because I poke fun at things, but they don't always translate at all.

Yeah. I'm sure they're culturally dependent, um, with even with like, I, I, I'm trying to, I think, yeah, I think I heard in a 40, 40, uh, 40 years, you mentioned how I met your mother. They, they might not have seen the show. So then you've got to change it to like Telemundo's or something, you know? Well, then they have to, how does Barney Stinson, uh, translate into Chinese? You know, is there anything you want to, um, to finish up with? Do you want, is there anything? Oh, you wrote something down. Did you want to cut, come back to that? Yeah. I wrote down, uh, I wanted, we wanted to talk about Dan John university.

So folks, Dan John university.com. Uh, it's, there's always a free two week membership, but if you just type in, when you join, if you decide to join it, Corona, all capital letters, you'll get this great. We were going to just do it for three months, but now we're thinking about extending that for, for, for whatever, but that's just, and that literally is because of my wife and I are, our, our family, uh, our family, uh, mission statement is make a difference. And at a time like this, if we can do something, it's that simple, that easy. Come on. You can't not do that. Um, the forum is really good.

People write two and three, four, five paragraph answers to things. I'm very impressed. Uh, the quality of the forum, it reminds me of the way things were in 2000 when people gave a damn about forums. Um, and if you just want to read my stuff, I have an online library basically called danjohn.net and you, and if you're going to print it off, you better go to the store and buy a lot of paper. I understand it's three reams of paper type, but to print off everything. And it's all free. Uh, there's a book on discus throwing there. There's a book on weightlifting, uh, a book I wrote for my daughter when she graduated from the eighth grade and it's her 30th birthday today, 30 year old daughter, far too young.

Is she home with, she home with you? She just, she lives close. No, no, no, she said she's got little, uh, she has a son named Danny and a grandson named Josephine Tiffany after my wife. Uh, and, uh, they're delightful and, uh, they have come over a number of times. Um, there is a good chance that Tiffany had the virus. We can't yet find out. Uh, I was in Boston and I sat next to somebody for a couple hours who was ill and later the person is pretty sure they had Corona, but I was talking to a person, uh, face, you know, right. Yeah. And then you survived it then. Right. And so we, Tiffany, when we hear some of the symptoms, we were both ill, uh, you know, one night she slept 17 hours and a few nights later I slept 16, uh, weird little headaches.

Like, like punched. You felt like you were punched, which are all the signs. So we're thinking that we may have had it. We self quarantined once it came around, figuring that we had had it. And now we're basically staying, I wouldn't say we're staying home. We're trying to model good behavior and we're trying to, we're trying to be a good community people. And that's sometimes, you know, like I wrote a Facebook post the other day, uh, the first amendment, I have the right to assemble peaceably, but I have the responsibility not to. Yeah. And that's something I have. I mean, I don't know if you know this, but I have a tremendous education.

I know it sounds weird for some of us to brag about, but. Uh, the great books tradition, I mean, I, I really, and one of the things you learn when you say the great books, uh, it's the Spider-Man thing, you know, with great power comes great responsibility. And, uh, uh, it is a foundational point that I believe in. And I, and I hope it comes off truly that way in the way I do things. Well, I hope that's just, you know, blathering bullshit. No, I learned some stuff. So thanks for the good wisdom. Absolutely. So then, uh, I will let you go then. And we'll cut this into two podcasts, I think. And, uh, if you feel, oh, sorry.

And if you feel like you need to talk again, uh, it's real hard to get ahold of me. You, you have to send me an email and then I respond. Yes. And then we have this wonderful talk. Okay. I'm, I'm sure Allie might reach out to you too. She, I know she wants to talk to you on this, but, um, I always like talking to you. It's a good time. So I speak for everybody. Allie, you can do better. I won't let her hear this episode. Hey, you're a good man. So, okay. I appreciate all your time. Okay. Thank you. Good luck. Good health. All right. Take care. Dan, thanks so much for being on. It's always a pleasure.

Uh, again, everybody go to Dan, John university and check out all the stuff that he has in there. Uh, I've been through there. Uh, I, I've checked out the workouts, uh, good quality videos, good structure. And as you know, Dan, John ism. That's all I got to say. What is your meaning of Dan, John ism? Also to go to Dan, John.net. His podcast is actually pretty legit too. You can find that on any podcast player. Um, and I think it's around the episode, probably almost 40 right now. So it's fairly fresh, but there's lots of great Q and I, Q and A's in there. Lots of wisdom to be dropped. So thank you, Dan.

Thank you for all, everything you should do. Uh, now everybody, again, uh, I will see you next week. And thanks for being part of the movement. Share this with a friend or a colleague who you think will benefit from this information. It's the only way the show gets promoted. There is no other paid promotion for the show. Okay. It's a passion project. Please do your part. If you're part of the movement, I thank you. Talk to you soon.