Movement, mindset and recovery for sustainable fitness

From day one, you make sure that you're using that person's name. They know that you are there for them, and you're digging for their why. You get a lot of people who are like, oh, I just want to tone up. It might be true, but there's a way deeper emotion of why people are there. We really, really encourage our coaches to dig for that. Yeah, it's going to be uncomfortable, and obviously don't push somebody to their limit, but at a certain point, if you're continuing to drive that and you find that person's deeper why, that's something that you can always research. Hey, you're having a tough day. Remember when we talked about this? You have this goal, and it's super important to you. I know it is. Having something like a girl is training for her wedding, that's a huge emotional focus. You're going to stand up in front of your loved ones, and you want to look amazing, and that's a huge emotional driver.

You're listening to the Restoring Human Movement podcast, where movement experts discuss the latest evidence-based practices to help you and your clients move with mastery. And now, your host, Dr. Sebastian Gonzales. Hey, everyone. It's Sebastian, your host for the Restoring Human Movement podcast. Thanks for joining the movement, movement. If this is your first time on the show, welcome, welcome. You made it to the end of 2020. Take a breath. You made it. So, in this podcast today, you're going to see we have an interview format, one, but we also, in the old podcast, have interviews and solos.

We have on Jess and Josh from Innovative Results Gym in Coast Mesa, California today. And we're going to be covering the topic of movement, mental, and recovery, which is part of the cornerstones of their gym. And as you can see through the interview, that actually mental is a pretty important part of it. And I know a lot of us will consider our wellness as being mainly physical, but there's a lot of mental aspects to it. And I firmly believe that as well. And so, hopefully you see by the podcast today that they really love what they do and that there are other parts than physical that you guys need to consider if you haven't already.

So, listen to the entire podcast. Again, if this is your first time on the podcast, please go to the other old ones. This is 200 and probably 15 right now. And there's some amazing ones even back into the hundreds. And so, there was a period of time through this last summer where I took a, not a hiatus necessarily, but I only released once every two weeks. And I might do that in the future as well because this is a weekly show. But I want you guys to have a chance to catch up. And there's a lot of listeners who have not necessarily caught up and learned throughout the entire time. So, I've learned a lot over the course of hosting this show and learning from other people.

And I think you guys would learn along with me. So, enjoy the interview and I'll see you on the other side. I'd love to just tell you a little bit about IR and some of the history of it. And that's why we have Jess here as well because she has like literally been... I'm the oldest surviving member. She is like the sorceress that keeps IR going strong. Okay, Jess, tell me IR sorceress of what is... What's IR all about? The magic of IR. Yeah, I mean, I can tell you the history, I guess. So, the history would be probably back in like 2007 was when like innovative results started to kind of come to fruition.

The two founders came from sort of different walks of life. Both, you know, one was from Chicago. One was from Idaho. They were both personal trainers in basic gyms, just pumping and grinding, you know, doing the numbers game. And they just, they wanted more. They were tired of being in gyms and they were always super active outside. They wanted to build a facility that was a playground, that they could get back to, you know, away from the industry and back to nature kind of situation. So, you know, when you're young and you're playing around, you're running, you were fit, you were active, and you were just having a good time.

And that's what they missed about, you know, being in a basic gym setting with just weights and machines. So, they kind of, they started to build teams and then innovative results became what it is. They, you know, we started in a smaller facility and then outgrew that one and was able to build a fitness playground, essentially. So, the turfing, the, you know, like, I'm losing the words. Like a jungle gym? Yeah, the jungle gyms. That's what I'm looking for. That don't? Yeah. So, like, the jungle gym setting, getting rid of the machines, just getting the versatile tools that people could have fun with and move functionally.

Like, I mean, all of us know that there are basic human movements and there's a foundation to it all. But giving that excitement of every day you're going to play with something new and you're going to, you know, you go to the grocery store, you're carrying your kids, your load is always different. And we wanted to be able to replicate that in a gym setting so that people could train for everyday life and be able to improve the quality of their lives in a gym setting to then go out and do the stuff that they loved. Yeah. We don't want you to be stuck in a gym. We want you to be able to go out and do, you know, go surfing, go hiking, go to the mountains, sit on the floor and play with your kids and not be in pain constantly.

So, that was the huge focus about how can we bring that to a gym setting and improve the quality of life of our members and our community and ourselves. So, that was the kind of building. And so, I think, I don't know if Josh told you, we'll probably have some young clinicians and other strength coaches and PTs listening on. So, I'm going to ask part of the question that I think that they might be asking and we'll kind of go from grassroots here. How does playing make me even feel better? I don't get it. Like, how is that a thing? Shouldn't I be lifting? Fitness to me is looking good. Sure. Yeah.

And I think, you know, a lot of times, especially in, you know, not to say Southern California is big on that because everywhere, like, of course, you want to look better. But, like, the goal for us was, I don't want you trapped in a gym just to try to get that six pack. It would be nice. We all would love to look fit and, you know, but the point about it is that move better, feel better, look better is always going to come part of that. But if you can't, you know, functionally get through your day without being injured because you were lifting super heavy and now your shoulder hurts, now you don't want to deal with anything else, that kind of activity of play kind of comes into that setting, I guess.

Yeah. Yeah, totally. Well, I think, too, you know, I mean, I know, like, in your world, Seb, you probably see this a lot where, you know, studies would come back to the natural movements of children and how intuitive it can be. Even everything from squatting to deadlifting and, you know, as we get, you know, more into society, a lot of times the conditioning of society of the sitting and the way our school systems are designed and a lot of jobs and corporate worlds, we're not in that natural playing intuitive movement that is so natural to humans. And when we look at cultures, even all around the world, you know, they're keeping that squatting, that hip hinging ability throughout most of their life because their cultures haven't become a different culture outside of that intuitive style as a child.

And I think when you really trace that back, it's what is a kid doing? Kids are always playing, they're always running, they're always having amazing joint mobility. And if we really start to just acknowledge that, I think that is where the real health lies, you know, and having that, having that like aspect about our lifestyle is, it brings you back to that state where you were a great mover. And to us, you know, innovative results is always bringing movement quality versus one of the main foundations, one of our main pillars. And so getting people back to that movement quality, it incorporates play and incorporates all the different ranges of motion and aspects of the body versus a lot of even the fitness world kind of got caught up with.

I always kind of call it the Arnold era, nothing wrong with bodybuilding, it's freaking amazing discipline, but it's like, that's more static, kind of linear focus on things. And it just leaves out a lot of different areas that play tends to bring out. One other aspect I want to touch on is that if you can think about back to when you were a child, and you most people were probably out playing some kind of sport with their friends or playing in a group of kids. And, you know, your mom calls for dinner or whatever, and you're like, there's no way I'm going back in, like, I got to keep going to this game or keep going to this experience, whatever it is.

And that is just like tapping into that soul level of just feeling good and feeling alive and being excited about that. So that's where we also want to bring that back into a movement culture is just having that kind of feeling as a child, like you're always childlike, you're always playing, you're always living your best life. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's a couple things you hit on there that I'll, I guess, circle back to is, so the last thing you said is, is feeling good when you're doing fitness. And like, I know that, I know, it's funny, like, I've had people come in to our offices, they're like, well, I really, I'm concerned that my money's bothering me.

I really want to go back to running or whatever they want to do. And it's like, do you like running? No, I hate it. Why, like, why do you got to hate your fitness, like, or hate your physical activity? So what you say about going back into making enjoyable, I think is a big thing that I think people forget, you know, I forget all the time. And the second thing is, I know that with, um, uh, pathway through, you mentioned just quality of movement and the honor layer. And I got a couple of buddies in San Diego that they, uh, they like they're, they're clinicians. And they kind of mentioned that, um, they really wanted to pitch more about quality movement, how you guys have mentioned.

And how in our, at least in, in our like profession, there's been like a pendulum swing to, dude, if someone hurts, just load them, just load them hard, you know? And it's like, that's, it's, that's not the right context all the time. And it doesn't have to be Arnold all the time, you know? Sure. Yep. So just a couple of thoughts anyways, but yeah. Yeah. So just, just, what do you have? Do you have anything to add to that? I guess I'll bounce back and forth between you both. I don't do a little shit. You can just kind of keep throwing the mic here and there. I think you, you really touched on that.

And it's, you know, a lot of the people that work with us have come from, you know, different, different backgrounds. Like a lot of bodybuilders, like the current owner now did bodybuilding for a while. And, you know, he'll constantly talk about, he just was in pain all the time. Like, you know, when you're just busting out reps and reps and reps just to get to a certain stage, like you're forgetting why you're doing it. Like, what was the purpose? Was it just to look good? Like now you hate going or you dread going. And now, you know, like Innovator Results is trying to build that different, like to be excited.

Yeah. There's going to be days where you just, you don't want to, you don't want to work out, but now you have this community. You've got, you know, coaches and clients that hold you accountable. Like, Hey, where were you yesterday? Like, Oh, I just didn't, you know, I just didn't want to work. And that does happen. But like now if you can build like that community of bringing people back, like, Hey, I just wanted to come in and I wanted to feel good. I wanted to move. Yes. I can, I can go heavy or I can go light. The joy of the way we build the programs is that you could be working out next to an Olympic lifter or an Olympic athlete even.

And you could just be in your first week back after five years of never being in a gym and you could be doing the exact same workout. Only it looks entirely different because our coaches are going to progress and regress according to you. And like the human movement is foundational and being able to build off that and just create the potential for being a better mover. I mean, if somebody can't squat, why am I not put a barbell on your back? Why am I not give you a kettlebell to use with that? So just helping people understand their bodies more and, you know, yes, move you out of that human cashing position that, you know, you're sitting on the couch, you're in your car, you're at a computer all day.

Just like opening up that ability to give you back again, that improved quality of life that you're just like, just, I feel better when I'm moving. And, you know, a lot of times you lose range of motion in any joint and you forget that you're, you know, you should be able to do full, full, full abilities in your, your shoulder joints and your knees. And, and you lose that. And the human basics, just getting you back to that level. I've never heard the human cashew, but I do like that. That's one of my favorite references. It just gives you the perfect visual, right? The human cashew. Yeah. I was trying to, I was trying to think of, I, when I mean, you first said cashew, I thought there, well, what's the nut on a cashew?

Oh, she's talking about the, she's talking about the nut, not the shell. So, so I know that when Josh, when me and you were talking about maybe what touch points to do on this podcast, we were talking about sustainability and fitness and, and, and things of that nature is you want to start that conversation? Cause I think that's an important one that, uh, I, I know, uh, us as clinicians, we, we sometimes forget, you know, that, that it's an evolution for something sustainable for the person. Um, and even if, even if it was just running or lifting weights, it's not necessarily sustainable for everybody.

It's based upon their mental tolerance, their physical tolerance, what they like, you know? Totally. Yeah. I love that. And thank God for clinicians because they help us all keep going in this game that we're all playing and getting to this higher level of, um, like it's just said though, the lifestyle that we all love living, you know, when somebody has an acute injury, it's like, we really need somebody to be there to bring them right back in to that game. And, you know, for us, it's such a great synergy, um, between us and clinicians, but I think to talk a little bit about the touch points of, you know, sustainability in our fitness, so to speak, um, and even talk just about overall longevity.

I think when we talk about what IRS focus is, it's always kind of starting with that end result. And we look at a person, you know, in their later years of life between 60 and a hundred years, a hundred years of age. And are they going to be able to keep doing the things they're doing now then? And not only that, are they going to, uh, be climbing mountains and swimming and running and jumping and playing at a hundred plus years of age? That's what we really want. That's like our main focus. So when we think about all the workouts we're programming, all the things that we're doing, we start with that end result and work backwards.

And I think kind of as you're acknowledging anybody in the fitness industry can get kind of cut up in the day to day or like that, even within that one year timeframe. And it's like, these things might work then, but are they really turning us out to be able to do these things, these dynamic ranges of movement and these fun, playful ways to a hundred plus years of age. So that's what I always am focused on. That's my scope with any client. That's what IR is really focused on any client that comes in our door. And the pillars that we like to work off of are movement, mindset, and recovery. And I think what makes us unique compared to a lot of gyms, um, is we really, we program in the mindset and recovery within our workouts, within our progressions for the month.

And, um, beyond that, we also really make sure that that's something that is a lifestyle component. You know, I've, I've been a part of a lot of gyms where it's a focus and they talk about it, acknowledgement, but to really have that as an active part of your day, an active part of your life and your week and your mindset. To me, it's a, it's a little different experience for a lot of people. Um, you know, and, you know, movement, mindset, recovery to me is a, it's, it's what builds the IR3 system. So we really like to create a system that everybody can follow. And it's just, it's a simple three-step system.

And sure, there's a lot of little nuances within each of those, um, components. But when you really follow this system on a daily basis, it all is those small building blocks that will continue to step into that bigger realm of, we have clients that are one guy that comes to mind. He's 65, I think, uh, runs his own company, always working, you know, 80 hours a week. He took his, his family out to the Red Rocks, go hiking a few months back before quarantine. And he said he was dusting his 20 some year old. Like they, I think they hiked in four days. They hiked like 55 miles and he was just dusting his 20 year old because, you know, he's still in that active lifestyle and he's still got these like stabilizer muscles that are working in all of his joints.

He's got the range of motion. And we see that with all of our clients across the board. So for me, that was like, when I heard that testimonial, I was like, that's why we do what we do. That's why we're creating what we create, you know, is to have a entire group of people in a culture that's going to spread to the world like that. When you first heard that, do you think, wow, I love our 65 year old guy. Or you're like, I got to get ahold of his 20 year old. Yeah, straight up. I was like, I just, the next comment was, well, get your son's ass in here. Come on, let's do it. He's like, he's been here before.

He just, you know, he was in a different focus at the time. So yeah, I feel you, man. It was definitely for both. Yeah. So for, um, explain to me a little deeper than with, so you said it like on a daily, baby on a daily basis, movement, my, or sorry, movement, mindset and recovery. What does that look like then as you're coaching somebody, um, say, Hey, you're not going to be here tomorrow or the next day or the, or say over the weekend, here's what I want you to do. Maybe some, is it like daily habits you'll kind of give them or. Yeah, it is a little bit of both. We have the daily aspects. And then for example, today, when the podcast is over, we're going to go back to the gym and we have Wim Hof method going on at four 30 to five 30.

And so we're going to have a good handful of people coming in to actually do ice baths and breath work. So they're going to be learning how to improve their immune systems, reducing inflammation. And that's on a Friday, um, coming right off of a week of progression. Right. So that's a little bit larger aspect that everybody in the gym has access to is, is like, uh, you know, an athletic level ice bath and cool down experience. Um, which we find cuts recovery and almost in half when people are doing these ice baths and these types of breath work experiences. Uh, then on top of that, we're looking at from a day to day basis, you know, we actually have the end of our workouts.

We always tend to have a cool down experience with either breath work, um, active recovery drills, mobility focus. And then in the front of our work, our workouts, uh, we program in cars, which if you're familiar with the Ken stretch model, we always go through cars, especially in the areas that we're going to be using that day. Um, but really full body cars, uh, we also bring in a lot of different mobility work as well. And then we're splicing that throughout the workout. So sometimes we actually program mobility into the workout as a circuit. So that's kind of like the extreme, you know, we have these different experiences throughout the week, whether it's going to be meditations, whether it's positive mantras, uh, whether it's actual ice baths and shocking the system.

And then coming into the program, into the workouts where over that hour or so, when you're at our gym, you know, you're, you're doing that. It's not just get there, work out, and then hopefully schedule some time at the end. That makes sense. So then do you guys ever get people? Cause I know we do where it's like, you kind of, like I have a saying, you just meet them where they're at, you know, um, you can force it down and throw it as much as you want to, but then like, ah, they just keep fighting you tooth and nail. And so do you ever get people that are like, they're just like grinders or they're just only want to come for the ice baths or like, they don't want to implement the, all the, the steps that you believe are, are part of the process, you know?

Um, and if so, like, how do, how does that interaction go? Is there, is there, what do you guys do with someone like that? I guess is my question. Yeah. What do you think about it, Jess? You got it. Have you had anybody? We've absolutely had clients like that. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people, you know, whether they buy into the system immediately or they're just like, Hey, I want to come in. I want to work really hard, please. I don't want to listen to you talk very often. Like, tell me what I need to do. And I'm going to do this. Um, and, and we kind of just let them roll with that. So like, maybe they get a little less focused from the one-on-one attention of the coach during the class, but they, they know what they're doing.

And like, what we've seen through these clients is after, after a certain amount of time, the buy-in starts to naturally come. They realize like, Oh, you know, I'm, I'm starting to hurt. I'm having pains here. And we're like, Hey man, like then join in on this, like recovery portion at the end, or let's sit down and let's talk about this. And let's, you know, what can we have you doing if you'd rather do it at home, whether you do it here. Like these, these are the systems and the system is in place because it works. Like we've trial and errored it, like whether you buy in immediately or buy in down the road, because you realize, Oh geez, you know, like I, you know, when I was 22, I could squat 400 pounds, but now that I'm 37, I want to, but it's more difficult.

And now they're starting to realize they're growing into their bodies. They're, they're understanding their personal movements and realizing how important that sustainability training is like that longevity and that lifestyle. Um, so maybe it's not immediate, um, but we kind of let them just roll with it. Like we're allowing them to figure out their bodies, their challenges, and of course, like guiding and giving hope. But I mean, if we're just going to try to make them do something, they're just not going to, and they're going to go somewhere else. And the worst part is I don't want them to go somewhere else to get hurt.

Right. I'd rather be in control of that situation and kind of help guide and, and hope they get to the end result as themselves. And, and we've seen that with a lot of clients, which is great. You know, some, some leave and end up coming back or, or they just, they grow into that model, um, and start to just really understand. I mean, we all did it, right? Like when we were younger, we loved doing fun, hard workouts and crazy stuff. Um, but then we realized like, Whoa, geez, you know, I'm 30 and now it's, that's tougher. That's way tougher. Like, um, so you just, that different. And I think what you're saying too, it's having the system there.

It's just like, you kind of acknowledge that it's just, it's constantly in front of their face enough that eventually they just integrate. You know, it's like you, you see it enough times you realize it, you can't avoid it. It's just, um, it's more a matter of letting the ego kind of like come to terms with like, you know, it's okay to endeavor these other ways. And I'm really big too on, um, the way we create our coaching staff to us be a product of what we're, what we're teaching and what we're creating. So having all of our coaches, like living that idea of the ice baths, living the breath work, living the meditation, living the positive mantras, you know, all these things on top of the type, the way that we move.

It's like that kind of just, it's like these people come in and they might be big time movers or, or even high level athletes, but they still are looking for role models. That's why they come to get a workout in. So it just kind of naturally transitions over time, you know, as long as the coaches really are bought into the system as well. Okay. Yeah. Good to know. Yeah. So lead, lead a little bit by example. And, um, yeah, cause I was curious cause I know that with, um, I know we get it a lot on our end with the clinical side, but you know, people come in from all these other things. That they've tried and they're used to a certain stereotype.

And so when they go in and like, Oh, cool. I was around the block. I think I'll go try that place out. That is not what I expected. Like I want, I wanted a grinder, you know, I didn't want this through this ice bath at me and so on. And so I was curious to see how you guys dealt with it. Um, and it sounds like actually the same style that we do where Jesse kind of mentioned, um, ideally, I think we can do a better job with them if we keep them in house and let that relationship grow a little bit to where you get them to where they think they are. Should be doing that kind of stuff. And, and versus like throwing them out in the wild again and let them, you know, struggle and find their way again.

Yeah. So it's just good to hear you guys do that. Cause, uh, yeah, I don't know how I do it with, uh, with lifting. So that would be, I give a couple of friends are like, yeah, I still do that. I'm like, I don't do any of that anymore. You know, just, I mean, that might, that might work, but I, I don't know. I just don't feel good doing it anymore. So I always come back to like guys, like I know West side barbell, I, I've heard some of their leaders say like, Oh, we just, we just do reps at 135 now. And these are some of like the top athletes in the world. So I always try to throw in like examples of people that might come from those worlds and just like see that as well.

And then people like, Oh, well maybe I don't have to play on 400 pounds to feel strong either. Yeah. So it's really, it's interesting you bring that up, man. I think there is like some strong, some strong contrast there for a lot of people. Um, and just showing them those little examples of people that are doing it in the world and just kind of planting that seed. Really cool. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Um, before, before we move on, is there anything that you guys think we should be talking about that I might not be bringing up? I always like to hand the mic over a little bit. Thanks man. Something that comes up for me is I would love to just dive into mindset for a minute because I think that's potentially one of the most underrated aspects of, of a lifestyle, of a fitness journey and of a health journey.

And, you know, when we talk about mindset from a movement perspective, I think IR's mission and what I've been passionate about myself is, is just totally changing the fitness industry to like shifting that paradigm all together to movement. You know, how our bodies move. And as we talked about that, like play nature, um, bringing that back into like a movement aspect is that's a whole different mindset, a paradigm, right? Versus, excuse me, versus going to the gym and having a certain static or linear focus of a workout, kind of get rid of that word workout or fitness, even let's go into movement.

So that to me is a mindset shift. It's a paradigm shift. But when we get outside of that aspect, we're talking about just a mindset within your own personal workout, whether you want to stay as a weightlifter, an athlete, whatever it might be. Um, I think people really underestimate the power of mindset and the power of, of their mind with the body in general. And, you know, I know a lot of people go to get workouts or go to clinicians because they want to be guided. They want to be, you know, led a certain direction into health and healing. But I want to, IR's mission has always been to re-empower people as well with their own mindsets because, you know, if we weren't taught that at an early age, then a lot of times that is like, um, something we read about that is really powerful for, you know, some Olympian we saw or read about, or it's really powerful for that, like that traumatic story that somebody overcame.

But on a day-to-day basis, mindset can really make or break just how you're showing up in your life and how you're showing up in your workouts. And, um, when we look at that, that concept, I think a lot of people, again, they just make it secondary. But if we start to really make it that primary focus, and one example that I'm going to share with you all real quick is this is pretty near and dear to IR's experience. There's a woman who came to us and she had been in a pretty serious accident and won't get into it too much, but essentially just had went from her whole life being about 115 pounds to ballooning up pretty big and just having all these range of motion issues and just not able to do things she wanted to do.

And when she got to us, you know, she's been beaten down for almost a year, year and a half by a lot of different, um, doctors she had seen. And again, this is not to knock the medical world, but you know, there was a, her perception of what they were saying was kind of like definites, like you're going to be this way. You're going to be that way. And, you know, she's trying to come work out with us. And I noticed all of her like limitations within the workouts, right? I could see there was this mindset issue. It wasn't her functionality. And so we started talking to her and saying, you know, first of all, you can lose weight.

Your body will naturally return to its state if you allow it. Second of all, you can do certain things that you don't, aren't aware you can do. It's just a matter of getting that brain to connect the body more and take a little more intention. And, you know, she started within like two weeks, this woman dropped 10 pounds. Had she been struggling to lose weight for almost a year and a half, dropped 10 pounds. Her face started looking different. And I saw her and I'm like, I was like, wait, what's going on? You know, she's like, the weight's falling off. And it was literally because she started to feel free and feel permission that it was okay to actually heal and get better.

And I think that's a bit of an extreme story. But even seeing how she's moving now, she's like 10 times stronger than she was, you know, over that year and a half where she was just stuck. And if we take that into our day to day, it's like, if you can talk to yourself and break through any limiting beliefs you have about personal gains in your experience, break through any kind of like stresses of the day. And just know that those are not really needing to continue to be carried with you. Or anytime like you have like a limiting belief about your body, if you can just change that to it's possible to create what you want.

I promise like miracles will happen. Yeah. Miracles will happen like on a regular basis for you. Yeah, I like that. And I agree. I think there's actually, there's a lot of people who have been told that they can't do certain things anymore. And I don't know if it was the clinician's wording or they heard what they wanted to hear. I'm not quite sure. I know I had a girl recently that she was told she would not be able to run again. And I'm like, dude, you're like 25. What are we talking about? You know, at some pace, surely. I mean, like even if you had one leg, you can surely run again to some degree.

You know, like bring a mountain lion out. I'm pretty sure that we can prove it wrong, you know. Um, I don't know why, I don't know why they say that, but, um, it's, I, at least in our office, we'll tell them like, Hey, we've tested this out. We've stress tested these joints and we can say beyond reasonable doubt that you can do that again. Um, and so we try to debunk them too, a little bit. Um, but it's hard to shake their beliefs. And especially when they're thinking about, you know, I'm too old for this, or I have a bum knee, or I have a bad back or my mother had back pain. And so will I, um, right.

And so how long does it take you guys to unravel it? Do you talk them out of it or do you just show them that they can, um, or is there another tactic that you use? Cause it's challenging there. Cause they are mental, I don't want to say mental cases, but they're, you know, they're mentally challenged by the movement. So, yeah, it's, um, it's almost a lot of times it can, it depends on what kind of where the systemic beliefs coming from, whether it's the, in the nervous system, you know, it could be a traumatic experience they've had that is in the nervous system. It needs to be like extracted, or it could actually just be like a thought pattern.

They have this actual belief, like the, like the mother having a bad back. That's just something that they've heard. Um, and so depending on where it is, like if it's, if it's nervous system, to me, it's a little bit more of needing to like shock them out of it. Um, I always come back to this, like, which I would never do this to a client, but I think there was something maybe like a Tony Robbins clip or something. I saw some lady was ranting at Tony Robbins. I don't know if y'all know Tony Robbins is like a self-help guru. And she started going off on this story she had about her life and all this trauma she had and he took a glass of water and like threw it in her face.

And she just had this look of a whore and she was like, what the F did you just do? You know, and he, he had this authority over to kind of do that in a safe way. And he was like, you feel better now, don't you? You know, and just shook her out of her story, out of her BS. Right. And it, going forward, I'm sure that woman had a much more pleasant experience in life, uh, just from that one incident. And, you know, we would never, we might super soak her somebody with some water. We'd never throw a cup of water to this thing. Yeah. We'd have like a little fun with it. But, um, you know, it's like, sometimes you have to shake people out of their nervous system and that's where you've got to learn to walk the line as a coach and as business owners.

It's like, you know, when do you really just say like, well, you can do this quick, give me the BS let's go. Or when do you plant the seed? Maybe it's just the mindset thing of, well, you know, you know, your mom may have had back pain, but here's the thing. Like we have 101 ways and proof and, um, amazing clinicians, like you said, that will prove to you that the back pain is, is no longer a thing. Let's go. And you just kind of give them no excuse. Like they might wiggle around a little bit, but do it in like a lightweight. And eventually at third or fourth time to hear that, you know, they're going to just like, I do this all the time where I'll, I'll say that to somebody and I even get pushback.

Like, you know, you don't have to have back pain cause your mom did. And I get some pushback. And then six months later, I hear them saying the same thing that I said, like, oh yeah, I totally freed myself from back pain or whatever. And so I've learned that just by speaking positivity to people, he's like human brain computers tend to just kind of like take the seed and then run with it over time. Sometimes it is letting that, that seed blossom into a flower. Sometimes you just kind of shake it up. With, with this, this, we might more feel something, be more philosophical. Do you think the mind has better affinity towards positivity, positivity or negativity?

You know, I've, I want to say positivity because I'm a positivity, but I've heard, I've heard, I've heard that the brain evolved in a certain pattern. Um, we're talking about the certain areas of the brain to, you know, be that like filter to kind of filter out danger. Um, but I do think like there's a lot of people's brains that are attuned towards optimism. I mean, it just depends on kind of where you're, where our own scopes are. Um, but I think like there's parts of the brain that are very good at seeing all the negative BS and there's parts of our brain that can just be in drival mode and kick ass in life.

Like, so I won't say it's one way or the other. I'll say it's kind of like whatever you grew up in might lend itself to like activate that brain more. But I will always say there's a way to get out of survival mode and into thrival mode. We call it surthrival mode. Yeah. And you, you, you, you just throw water in their face or a fish. Exactly. Slap across the face of the big fish. Yeah. I think that's a big part too. Like, because mindset is one of our pillars, like we really drive that with our coaches. When, when someone comes to work with us, we do, I don't want to say we put them through the ringer, but like, we want to make sure, like, if you said you're here to help people, you're here to help people.

And we're going to give you the tools to make that happen, but you're going to have to want to, too. Um, and a huge part of like us, like we're not the heroes. The client is right. The hero, the client is a hero of their own story. Yeah. We're just going to guide you along the way. So yeah, some people you can be a little more harsh with when you built that relationship. But something that we really push with our coaches is from day one, you make sure that you're using that person's name. They know that you are there for them and you're digging for their why, you know, you get a lot of people are like, Oh, I just want to tone up.

It might be true, but that's probably, there's, there's a way deeper emotion of why people are there. Yeah. And like, we really, really encourage our coaches to dig for that. Like, yeah, it's going to be uncomfortable and obviously don't push somebody to their limit. But at a certain point, if you're continuing to drive that and you find that person's deeper why, that's something that you can always research. Hey, you having a tough day? Remember when we talked about this, like you have this goal and it's super important to you. I know it is. And, you know, like having something like a girl is training for her wedding and that's a huge emotional focus, you know, like you're going to stand up in front of your loved ones and you want to look amazing.

And that's a huge emotional driver. And like, and not that you're trying to throw that in somebody's face when they're having a rough day, but it just, you know, you're constantly reemerging that these are your goals and I want to help you get there. And what can we do to make sure, you know, like your mind, right. Your body, right. The movement comes like you showed up amazing, your step one done, like, and then just keeping them consistent in those habits. Like, again, we're just, we're guiding. And that's super important to us to always know that it's not, it's not us that's giving you this amazing thing.

It's you, you are the powerful focus of this and I'm just continuing to drive that home for people. Nice. I bet, I bet they enjoy the success better if they feel like they do it themselves anyway, so, oh yeah. So when you, when you guys are actually training coaches that, cause you bring up a point of, of kind of everybody working together with the same common goal and language and empowering people, uh, how does that, I guess I don't want to, I don't want to ask about like how you hire somebody, but how do you get everybody to be on the same page with that? Cause everybody's going to be different from a coaching standpoint too.

Sure. Yeah, honestly, like I said, we put, we do put people through the ringer. So even if somebody even applies, like I'm interested in working for you, we immediately drop them into this like six day email task list. So every day it's not something crazy, but maybe it's like, Hey, you know, like why, why do you feel like you're a great fit for interview results? Text, text us. And these, it's these six tasks that like, if you, if you don't even do those, we're done. Like we're not even to schedule an interview with you. Like you're serious. I guarantee you are like, you've joined the fitness industry.

You want to improve people's lives, but now you got to prove it. And, uh, so we do that. And then as soon as we meet with the interview, um, we may, we put them through a workout so we can see how they handle on the floor, um, how they are with clients, how they are receptive of that kind of stuff. And then, you know, do the interviews. And if they're a great fit, we then shift them into a 14 day orientation process and give them basically an enormous packet of a to-do list that we call our IR3 coaching progression. So much like our clients going through that, our coaches are continuing to not just become better coaches, but better humans.

So it could be something and a mindset focus that they're all going through. So they're learning how to write articles. They're, you know, reading powerful books. They're also learning and different movements and with tools that we use in the gym so that that way they can make sure that, Hey, I had to train for this. I know exactly how to help you and what stages happen along the way, where I mentally broke down, where I physically broke down. How can I now move that from me to you? You know, and you know where they're at mentally, physically, and can help them get to that end result because you did it.

You went through it. Um, and that's just something that the coaches are constantly working on. Um, and it helps also give them a pay raise to like even we even have like volunteer service in the community that is a task that you can check off that will help you get a pay raise with our company. Like that's how important our community is to us. That's how like just the service to humans is to us. So, yeah, so that's kind of how we build the coaches and, you know, people kind of weed themselves out. We give you the guidelines. This is where it is. And if, if that's, if they just want to come in, punch the clock, teach the class and leave, they're probably not going to stay with us very long.

And we don't even have to really worry about firing you because you'll probably just walk out the door. They couldn't take the community service. So then, so have you ever had, like, I feel like, cause you're, you're developing humans, I guess, from the trainer perspective and the, uh, the coach perspective and the, and the client perspective, you ever have a client come on as a coach and then continue to evolve? Yeah, actually, um, many times, um, one of our lead coaches now started as a client, came on, did like our, like internship program. And then was like, how do I become a coach here? Um, and we had a, uh, I mean, a couple before him that did the same, same deal.

Um, they came on, they just, you know, enjoyed what we did for people. They wanted to become a part of it. And yeah, we loved every part of that. They walked the walk for every point of it and, and saw the, saw the proof and that, and the love for like the community and just dove in. That's been really cool. Yeah. So actually now I'm, I'm thinking about it cause we've talked about mental, mental aspects quite a bit now, uh, of the three pillars, then what do you think the most important is then movement, uh, mental or recovery? Cause it seems like it kind of seems like you guys are growing humans mentally, physical is like a side thing and recovery is like, okay, I'm giving you a break.

Yeah. I mean, they're all so important. It's so tough. And, you know, of course, like a lot of facilities really hammer in the movement part and that's great. Hey, that's what the fitness industry is, right? That's what you, your expectation is. Um, but we also know that you could do something for a couple months, love it and be like, eh, I'm gonna try something new, eh, I'm gonna try something new or you're beat down and you're broken because you're not getting that recovery aspect aspect. And that could just be, you know, your diet, your sleep habits again, like meditation, just these like simple things like breath work, like taking 10 minutes out of your day for yourself, like just making yourself that priority again was so big for our whole team and making sure that people know how important that is.

We just, you know, we get wrapped up, you got families, you got work at everything and you forget about yourself sometimes. Yeah. I mean, I do really feel like if I was to say like the, the thing that kind of controls it all is the mindset. I think like the, the mindset is the biggest, but I think closely behind that is recovery. Um, just because it's like, um, it's like learning to do this stuff, like learning to like crawl before you walk. Like if you knew how to properly recover, then you can do as much movement as you wanted to and not ever worry about, you know, cause most people, they get into, they come into other direction from movement and they have to figure out what recovery is.

And they have to figure out what mindset is to stay in it. If you start out with mindset and come into some good recovery, and then you can just be an epic mover forever. So. Cool. It, is there any, is there anything that you're working on right now personally, Josh, to improve? Hmm. Oh, you're next, Jess. So just think about it. Thanks for that. I'm starting with you first. That's great. Yeah. I thought I would start with Josh. I like it. I think, um, that's always a loaded question, man. I'm like, I'm kind of like, Sam almost like maybe unknowingly, I was kind of like a Tim Ferris type energy.

I'm always trying to be my own test subject on things. But, um, I think like for me, the first thing it really is that I'm working on, I'm just being in that, um, optimistic state of mind that, that true, like glasses half full seeing it. Like, you know, things are always going to be possible, possible, and the possibilities are endless and like getting into there. Cause I do, I did grow up in a bit of a, a pessimistic mindset for whatever reason. So, um, just getting myself into that state, it's a huge, huge one. Like always seeing the glass half full. And then the other one for me right now really feels strong, um, on like the movement skills.

I'm really like a skills guy. Like I love calisthenic skills. So getting my handstand solid with like great wrist flexion for 60 seconds, um, that's going to be a huge one. And then I've been working on my muscle up the last couple of months. Okay. Good goals. Thanks, man. Those are so much cooler than mine are. Well, it depends on who you are. Like some people might be like, what the F is a muscle up? And you know, yeah. No, I mean, I'm not saying those aren't great goals. No, they are great goals. Now I want to go first. I'm just kidding. I feel like there's a lot of goal judging happening right now.

Yeah. Sorry. I said that I want to be competitive. Forgot about that. Yeah. Let's go ahead and talk about mindset. Here you go. Yeah. So that's what I'm constantly working on. Stop trying to beat your friend. Yeah. No, I know. Oh my goodness. Okay. So yeah. I mean, mine, obviously. You come to the gym. Yeah. I mean, I grew up an athlete and I mean, sports were always a huge epic point of my life. Um, and with that becomes like the beat down of the mental state because I'm a lot of times overly competitive and find myself in a, in a comparison state constantly. And I found that like with, you know, training at the gym, like as long as I stay consistent, I can stay out of my own head in that kind of realm.

And yes, there are times that I'm going to be, you know, competitive with like buddies that train there or friends that train there, but like kind of being able to pull myself back out of that and remember why I do this. So like, obviously I don't want to be overweight and I want to look great. Um, it's a Southern California term, you know, uh, but it's, it's just, it's, it becomes so much more in that when like, I realized like if I'm not consistent, I'll, I'll mentally start to lose myself. Um, not just like, and beat down my body, beat down myself and like being able to keep that consistency and keep that, you know, the community and being able to engage with people on that next level and know that I'm, I train the way that I am so that I can walk the walk so I can help somebody else do the same thing.

And, and that just continues to like be a focus for me. Like, yes, I do this for me, but I've been doing it for every client that's there. Like, I want to make sure that like what they're going through, like we can maybe talk them out of it or help them work out and get themselves out of that kind of state. Um, so yeah, I mean, I guess to answer your question before mindset is a huge, huge, huge killer for us, just get rid of all the gym equipment. Now we just, yeah, I think, uh, yeah, the only thing I think I've been really working on is I'm trying to be like more in the moment and I'm really good at it at work because I'll kind of look at each person and like observe like how their movements are, what I need to do, what I need to plug in.

And so I'm really good at doing that, but when I get home, it's like, okay, I'm thinking about work, you know? And so I forget about being in the moment. And so, um, just recently, actually my, my girlfriend, she was walking upstairs. She saw me reading, uh, in this case, I was reading Lord of the Flies. It's taken me months to read this book. And so I was at the top of the stairs reading Lord of the Flies and she had just, I just left downstairs and, uh, she comes up and she's like, you got two, two, three minutes. How are you going to open that book? And I'm like, I want to see if I can focus for two minutes.

So just don't talk to me. Like that was the whole point. It's a mental exercise, not about the book. So yeah, go in the room. I'll be in there in a little bit. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you touch on that, like just being like intentional and present in like every moment. I mean, you know, one of the books in the coach's progression is the power of now and like just being able to bring that back. Like, yes, we all have a ton of stuff going on, but like, remember what your bigger, you know, what you feel your bigger purpose is here when you're here. And, you know, as soon as you leave here, fingers crossed that doesn't shut off and you don't, and you become a wholly different person.

You're living two different lives, three different lives. And, and that for a really long time was definitely me. And like being able to bridge that was huge. Like being intentional in every aspect and not just being like, wow, I'm here. I'm a powerful person. When I'm here and when I leave, I tear myself apart, you know? And of course, like we can't be with people every hour of the day, but like the tools that we can give them while they're there working out, you know, whether, when they're warming up, our coaches are saying, Hey, why are you here today? Like, what are your intentions? What is your goal for today?

Like, this is for you. This hour is for you. Um, and then just kind of continue to drive that home. You go through the workout and then, you know, at the end you're going through that recovery stuff. And the coaches, you know, we're kind of talking you through that mindset breakdown to like, Hey, you know, let go of whatever doesn't serve you. Like you're going to go back into your day and you're feeling great. You did an amazing workout. You are powerful. And now we get to send you back to like, you know, try to spread that joy to somebody else or your family. And just like giving that focus that you don't, you're not just locked up in yourself.

And yeah. Well, it's, it's common nowadays and it's hard to, it's hard to develop relationships and, you know, get to know people and be good at things too, if you're not mentally there. So yeah, 100% man. I love that you're taking time for that, especially as a business owner, man. It's so cool of you to focus on your presence, man. It's beautiful. Yeah. Well, I've, I've had, I think I've had a hard time over the, like the last couple of years with, so I've interns that come into my office and so they all want to learn stuff. And so a lot of our conversation is like clinical. It's like, Oh, in this case you could do that or that or this and that, why does that work?

And so on. And then, so just the other day I went into work and so one of the guys is, he's going to be leaving pretty soon. He's all done. And so I was, it's like, Oh, I kind of want to ask him a question. So let's like when's your wedding, you know, like you've been there a long time. I never asked when your wedding was, you know? And so there's just other, it's nice to talk about the single topic, but it's, it can, you know, you don't really get to know the person too much. So that's beautiful, man. I love to hear that. I think that's what drives things forward in the community the furthest.

That's really awesome. So a question, since you guys are in Costa Mesa and there is a chiropractic school in Whittier. What if some of the students want to go through and watch to see what good fitness playgrounds look like? Is that something they can go in and check you guys out and shadow you guys? Is that a possibility? Absolutely. Amazing. Yeah. In the past, we have worked with programs through Fullerton, which is where one of the coaches came from. That was the client and became, did the internship through us. We were happy to sign off on credits for that. And we kind of just put them through the exact same thing that we do for our coaches.

They get the progression. They're working through that. They're shadowing. They're seeing the experience and kind of just building themselves out of that. Kids from Vanguard, OCC, we've had over there too. We absolutely encourage that. And we'd love to have that if, if they want to join. Right. Oh yeah. For sure. Is there anything in this interview that I needed to ask that I didn't before we, before we closed? How do you say your last name, Josh? Oh man. I don't even know if I can say it right. So get ready. It's Tarnofsky. Okay. I don't know your last name, Jess, actually. Oh, it's Sisky. Sitsky?

Sisky. How do you spell that? I know. Every time I say it, I feel like, how do I actually say that? I know. So it's spelled C-I-S-K-E. So yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't have gone there. I would imagine like an E with a tilladay or something on top. Yeah. I'm like heavy on the E is usually what I tell people. Because everybody's like, sis? I'm like, yeah. E. Yeah. So yeah. Anything you think we should be talking about before we finish here? I always like to know like what people's favorite ice cream flavor is. I feel like you can tell a lot by a person about your favorite candy and ice cream and stuff.

Like, you know, for example, like I'm a chocolate nougat kind of guy. And my wife's like a sweet and sour candy person. So I think that's like personality differences right there. So I don't know. I'd love to like have one of those questions at me. Okay. So, oh, so, so, uh, okay. If you had to pick one food for the rest of your life, what would it be? Oh, that's dumb. That one I can't do. You can't do? I'm going to do too much. We're going to narrow it down. You could go like a little more broad and be like, if you were on death row, what would be your last meal? Okay. Um, let's see. It's too heavy.

Let's see. I just wanted to be like a happy, like, what kind of food do you like? What is your favorite fruit and why? That's good. I like that. Can you do that one? I'm all in on that one. I'm going to need a minute though with that. Too many fruits that you like. I don't do that on my ice cream. I'm just kidding. What's my favorite fruit? Yeah. I had to switch off that because I know it was, you're already thinking what you wanted. So. I appreciate that. I like this challenge. My favorite fruit. I think like I, I'm a seasonal kind of guy, but I think if I was to say back to the, the, what I just love is a amazing, um, bowl of blueberries, like really ripe, fresh blueberries.

You can't blueberries. Come on. I'm a blueberry guy. Like I like, cause you know, that was actually, and I will say like, that was my first health, like awakening that I could go in and buy a carton of blueberries instead of like a Snickers bar at a gas station and feel really full and like excited. So that was blueberries are my savior. Oh man. If you'd have lived in Hawaii, you'd been like, yeah, I, so I can get some poke at a, at a gas station. Yeah. Right. You can substitute it for a candy bar. I was there for a year, man. You're talking my language. Love that place. Blueberries. Um, I mean, I really like strawberries.

I mean, I do like blueberries, but I take strawberries. I could eat strawberries for days. Word. All right. Yeah. Would you slice the top off or would you cut it off? Hmm. Or do you eat the top? Just like eat it all. You just eat it all. I'm just kidding. I eat the whole thing. You do? I actually, though, I don't have time to cut it off. Why don't you just bite it and stop there? Because that'd be a throw it away. And I got to keep up with it. I never have like a good. I cut it off. Jess is definitely an organized person. She's actually like present with her. I like systems. So do you cut it off with a big knife, a paring knife or a spoon?

Oh my gosh. Well, I remember like being younger and like, like pampered chef was really, really cool. And they had this really awesome, like strawberry, specifically a strawberry, like that would like, and it was like ridged. There's like a little spoon that like literally took it out. And I like, remember forcing my mom to buy it from this pampered chef. And she's probably like, I came here not to buy anything. I came here to support my friends. And I'm like, come on. The strawberry thing is so cool. But nowadays I just chop it off with a knife. And whatever one is in my hand, to be honest. Oh, oh, good.

So you don't use a cutting board. I guess that's my major thing. Yeah, I should not be trusted. Don't tell my landlord. A lot of times I just cut things on table. Yeah, strawberries are good. That'd be a good one. So I used to work at this restaurant, or sorry, this pie restaurant. It's called Polly's Pies. Yeah. So at the end of the, like the strawberry season, like you'd have to go on back. You can't leave until you do like a whole box of strawberries. You cut the tops off the damn thing. So we found out that a spoon worked really well because you would never cut yourself. And you would like, because they would come back there and be like, they'd look at your tops and like, there's too much waste.

You know, like the spoon, there's less waste. So yeah, strawberries. That's genius. Wow. Yeah. So no, I would go starfruit. Starfruit is good. Nice. Yeah. You can't find them here really that are good anyways. Very rare. Yeah. They're pretty bland. Yeah. Let's see. Where was your starfruit experience? Was that Hawaii or was that like a. Yeah. I went to, uh, at that time. Yeah. I went to Maui that time. And so we were coming back and I got to the airport to that little machine. You put everything through, right? The ag check. And so, um, they're like, yeah, you can't take these with you. And so there was like three, four left.

And so I was like, I'm not, I'm not throwing them away. Yeah. I just ate them all. It'd be so good. Yeah. It was the right decision you made. Yeah. Like the last one went in with the finger push type of thing. You know, just to show the guy I meant, I meant business. Yeah. People are just waiting in line. No, no, no. I got this. Yeah. Jess, Josh, thanks for being on the show. That was great. It was, uh, I forgot how much I disliked D topping strawberries. Thank you, Jess. So, uh, if anyone's looking to reach out to them, all they have to do is go into Instagram or into their website. Instagram handle is innovative results, or that's, I guess it's the at innovative results.

Uh, the, the website is innovative results, gym.com. So please reach out to them. Uh, they are open to having in some of the young professionals, um, to shadow. And, and I know that, uh, I did not have necessarily a very well-rounded experience with gyms of this caliber when I was getting out of school. And so it's refreshing to see that people are operating this fashion. And it's good to know where you're referring and where some of your clients are coming from, uh, if you are working with people who are, who are active. So hope you enjoy the show. Thanks for being part of the movement. Talk to you soon.