Finding the real why behind your training and pain goals

So the biggest thing is for us of how we can get them down to that why is, you know, figuring out first why they have jumped around or why they have never been to a gym in the first place. And once you understand kind of what they're looking for, it becomes a lot easier to bring them onto your side of the conversation. You're listening to the Restoring Human Movement podcast, where movement experts discuss the latest evidence-based practices to help you and your clients move with mastery. And now your host, Dr. Sebastian Gonzales. Hey everyone, it's Dr. Sebastian Gonzales, your host for the Restoring Human Movement podcast.

Thanks for joining the movement movement. If this is your first time in the show, welcome. This is a show centered around improving the communication that doctors and clinicians have with their patients. And we have the fortunate ability to have on a trainer today, which is Mike Carhart, who's going to help us improve our communication with clients, which they kind of tend to have the same type of issues sometimes getting to the real reason why people want to make a change in their life. So in this case, he's talking about training. But if you're a clinician listening, then we sometimes have to get down this route talking about pain too. So Mike's got some really good messages for us today. So also too, please look back in the format or of the past shows.

I have a lot of great shows in the archives. This is up into the one, I think 70s now. I don't tend to know what episode each one's going to be because they're on a timed release. But I've learned a lot over the course of doing this podcast. It's been a couple years now. And I'd venture to say the ones that are in probably around 70 and up, I've learned more and more and I've improved my clinical skills. So this podcast is more of a passion project for me to improve myself, but also hopefully you guys can follow me along with the journey. So on that same note, I typically will share a short story about my life. So you guys get to know more about me as a host. So hopefully you like me and follow along with the progress. So I'm going to get right in that short story today and stay tuned for the interview with Mike Carhart. So recently I went someplace where I have not been a long time, probably about 10 years or so. No, I take it back. I did go one time probably about a couple months ago, but before that it'd probably been 20 years. The roller rink. When's the last time you've been in the roller rink?

So I went. Funny thing, actually going back, this one is Fountain Skate. And I looked in, I'm like, dude, this looks exactly how it did when I was probably, I think 15 or so, the last time I've been here. Same type of music on almost, or at least the stuff on the wall was very much the same. The carpet is probably the same. And the shoes are probably the same too, the ones you rented. But I went there recently and I went once where it was a Friday morning. And so it was a kind of an older group. They didn't allow anyone over the age of 30. So it was nice to kind of skate around. There was older people there. Everyone's very friendly. They taught you how to skate and it was cheap. It was like eight bucks. It was great. So I went again with Allie recently and we went on Wednesday night and it was around six o'clock or so and it was like kid skate. And so after talking to the lady on the Friday morning and said, why does this thing exist? Why is it only people over the age of 30 that like, have you been skating with kids yet? And so after going with kids, holy shit, these kids like, number one, they have these things that are called skate mates now, which is a big thing created with PVC pipe. It has like rollerblade wheels in the bottom. So these kids hang on to them.

And if you look down the rink, you see all these kids kind of scattered. It looks like older people with walkers, but they're kids. And they're just clopping around. There was just one kid, look, he did like the cardinal rule of like skating is don't make steps. And so he's just clop, clop, clop, clop, stepping across the floor. So lo and behold, after about 40 minutes or so, we look around and everywhere you look in front of you, on the side of you, kids were just falling all over the place. And so it was like bombs. There was like landmines everywhere. And so sometimes you see kids grab on other people and pull them down. And so I was like, holy shit, we got to get out of here before we actually, like we actually fall. Because when the kids fall, they look like they can do the splits. It doesn't hurt. They're smiling. They go. When you see an adult fall, they're holding their tailbone. Like they're not flexible anymore. And they tend to hurt. So we decided to ditch out as soon as we could after we started seeing that. And I think I'm going to go with the older groups now. I'm going to go on Friday morning. So visit your local roller rink. Again, it was interesting to see how when you go into the older group, everybody's really, they just flow. And so even some of the people that you wouldn't think are actually good on skates, they surprisingly bring out all of the movements they wouldn't have walking. And they just dance the music and going down the floor and kicking and swerving and stuff. And it's great. I really think that actually probably over the age of 50, everybody should probably roller skate now, but not with kids around those little bombs.

All right, let's get into the show. How's it going? Hey, how are you doing? Thank you for having me on. I'm doing great. How about yourself? I'm doing great. How's that? How was your morning classes? They were good. I had, uh, I don't start super early on Fridays because I take my daughter to school. So, but I always, my 11 o'clock session is, uh, always an interesting one. I have a 87 year old woman who is probably the feistiest client. No. Yeah. Yeah. There was, they start to get spicy around that age, huh? Yes, they do. So it's interesting though. I mean, that's a lot of fun. I use her as an example a lot with a lot of our other clients that come in to, uh, just get set up and see what we're doing.

And, uh, she's a great sport with it. Yeah. I know that we're going to talk about, uh, some goals today, but by the way, I just restarted recording. We can always cut stuff if you need to, but okay. Um, the, I would imagine like the old, the older lady, when, when they come in, it probably helps out a lot with like people thinking, Oh, like, Oh, she can do that. It's okay with her. I can do this too. And I know we were talking about goal setting and I'm sure her goals are different than other people. So it's actually wonderful. I do use her as an example all the time. And, um, uh, Andrew, who's my business partner here who handles a lot of our actual memberships, he purposely sets up a lot of his appointments to coincide with her sessions so that people do come in and see her training, uh, because it does, just like you said, I mean, it's very much a, well, if she can do this, I can. And then, you know, it boils down to when they're, when they are talking about their goals and things like that, they view the fact of, you know, well, she's working to move better and yeah, her movement patterns are quite a bit lower as of right now. Um, but push come to shove, that's what they're training for too. Yeah. So when they see her going through very similar size, similar workouts, similar movement patterns that we're going to put them through it, you know, boosts their confidence quite a bit as well. Yeah. Yeah. I know that when I have people in sometimes they're like, well, I'm older, so I can't do this because of my age, you know, like, so a lot of times they'll, they will default to age, at least in my experience, or at least we get people with more that have a problem. And so they, they, they tend to think that maybe they've aged past the ability to do something pain free. Um, but I always explain to them that like, you have the, you have the ability to do things pain free. It's just not, maybe you're not as spry as, you know, as the, as the younger kid, but it doesn't mean you can't do something. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, uh, the first time anybody tells me or tells anyone here that they can't do something, you know, first question we ask them is always why. And it's a, it's a very obscure answer. Like, well, I haven't been able to do it in a little while. And so that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean you can't do it. It just means you haven't done it for a little bit.

Right. But how great would it be to get back to it? Yeah. Um, I guess before we go too far in, why don't you tell everyone a little bit about yourself and, uh, what you do. And, um, you actually reached out to me to, to talk about stuff. So, uh, I'm going to let you lead a lot of the conversation here. I'll just kind of interject some points. That sound okay. That sounds awesome. Thank you so much. Um, so my name is Mike Carhart. Um, my friend and I, Andrew Brinningham, uh, co-own Anytime Fitness here in Coldwater, Michigan, uh, for five years past, we used to run the club that was in Portage, Michigan, uh, before we kind of branched out on our own and bought this one. Um, I reached out to you and I actually reached out to a couple other podcasters as well, just because we are trying to get our message across as broadly as possible, because we think it's something that's so important to spread across as many platforms as we can. And what our biggest philosophy, what our training philosophy here is at Anytime Fitness and not just this one, it's, it's a corporate wide philosophy.

It's just the fact of we've been lucky enough to be in a couple of clubs that have been a little ahead of the curve. So if you do go across the 3000 plus clubs that are nationwide, you're going to find a lot of our training, similar training. It's just the fact that the way that we're doing it is going to be a little bit above some other clubs that you might run into at that point in time. But hopefully the goal is to get it more of a franchise wide. So no matter what club you go into, we're going to be focusing, uh, we're going to be keeping it nice and consistent for our members and giving them the same experience, but, and it's all about movements. So it's all about when, when people come in here, you know, the first thing that we do when we sit down with them is we talk to them about what their goals are. And we usually say something around the top three and the top three most common goals.

I'm sure anybody could, anybody could notice this is going to be, well, I want to lose some weight and I want to tone up and I just want to feel better. And then it gets into, okay, great. I love it. That's great goals. Now the biggest question is the biggest question is why? Oh, I think I lost you there. I lost you there. Oh yeah. I can still hear you. Okay. Did I lose you? Can you hear? I hear you. Okay. Um, okay, great. Um, so then the, the biggest thing after that was the fact of, you know, while I'd like to lose a little bit of weight because, you know, I have two kids and I'm doing this and they're, they're very, very active in this. And they, they always want me to play here and there, man, after I get home from work, I'm just beat. And once you get down to the, asking a couple more questions of the why and the why basically you get to interject and say, okay, well, if I'm hearing you correctly, then the biggest thing that you're telling me, Oh, there you are. I'm sorry about that.

No, it's okay. I heard you the whole time. Perfect. You're telling me as a fact that you would like to move a little bit better so that it's easier to keep up with your family. And you would like to have a little more energy so that when your kids do come up and say, mom or dad, can you come outside and play with me? The first thought that goes through your mind is not, Oh, I just got home from a long day of work. I just, can't you just go outside and do something with yourself or your brother or your sister or someone else, but it's hop off that couch and yeah, let's do it. I'm, I'm excited for it. And so it becomes, well, at first you walked in the door five minutes ago and it was, I want to lose weight for myself.

And now five minutes later, after a couple of very basic questions, it's, well, I want to lose weight because it's going to make me a better mom or a better dad, or it's going to make me a better husband or a wife. It's going to give me that much more energy to be with my family to do all the things that I love. And I'm going to be, like you had mentioned, pain free. I'm going to be moving a heck of a lot better. I'm going to be doing stuff that I haven't been able to do in a long time. That's good. It's digging deep to the, to the why of why people do things. And, um, I know that with our, I'm trying to think of, of maybe some, what some of the questions and thoughts of the listeners might have, cause we're, most of them are clinicians. And, um, I know that my struggle sometimes when people come in, at least in regards to why they want to feel better, because like they, some of them have this problem for a very long time. And today is the day where they decided I need to feel better.

And, um, so sometimes I'll sit down and also I'll do the same thing. I'm like, okay, so why are you here today? And like, I just want to be out of pain. Well, how come, why do you want to be out of pain? Well, it just hurts. Well, how come, why is that important to you? I just don't want to be in pain. Sometimes I've noticed that they tend to, they can't see past that one thing that they, you know, like, so I just want to lose weight. Well, why do you want to lose weight? I just want to want to be big, you know, like do, so when they do something like that to you, how do you get down even further into the why to get to a real answer rather than just the weight loss thing?

One of my biggest follow-up questions, cause I've definitely run into those one word answer people. And, you know, eventually the, when I first started out, um, it got a little frustrating because you're sitting there and you're thinking to yourself, well, I know what I'm trying to ask you, but how do you convey that? Um, and one of the biggest things that I have started to implement in that process is, well, let's go a different direction on this conversation and let's do this outside of work and outside of the gym. What do you enjoy? What do you like to do? And then it comes into play. Well, well, what do you mean when it like my fitness? I said, no, I don't care about fitness. I'm just, what are your hobbies? And when they start to list off their hobbies, their hobbies always will include something. Well, let's say I like to go hiking. I like to go kayaking. Well, you know, we're in Michigan here, so I really like to go cross country skiing, but I just haven't been able to do it in a while. And then it always, you can always pull one of those hobbies and pull it back to, okay, let's get back to cross country skiing. You haven't done it, but you used to love it, correct? Well, yeah, absolutely. Okay. Well, do you think if you weren't as heavy or if your knees didn't bother you quite as much, you could get back into that? Well, yeah.

Okay. Then do you think you'd like to get back to that? Well, yeah, it'd be great. And it just comes full circle into that where you can tie it right back into their initial goal. And you're really, I mean, it sounds like you're, or like they're coming up with another reason for their fitness journey, but you're really kind of putting ideas into their head. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. It's, um, uh, I've, I've kind of found that I took it, I took a different approach on it sometimes, and I actually kind of like your way better is that all, all, uh, I'll ask them and say, look, like, I know you want to be out of pain. I'll just hit it head on. I know you want to be out of pain. However, most people tend to get a little bit further away from pain when they're focusing on a goal of something they actually want to do. That's not pain. So if you had a perfect day, what would you do? You know, what do you enjoy? What do you like to do? Kind of like that, but it's, uh, but so I like that you kind of steered away from that dead end conversation and went into something, which was, um, kind of framed it in a different fashion. You know what I mean?

You hear me? Okay. Oh, you still. Yeah. And that's, and that's one of the biggest things is because when they do come in here, the first thing they're going to do when they get set up with just that basic membership is they're going to sit down with Andrew and Andrew's going to take them through a lot of very similar qualifying questions. Um, but he's not going to go as in depth. So what I tell them the very first thing when we sit down is, Hey, I'm sorry, but I'm going to repeat a couple of questions that my partner asked you earlier, but we're going to delve a little bit deeper into it if you don't mind and really get to the root cause of what's going to drive you here.

Because I think we've all noticed every, anybody who's ever been in the fitness industry, whether they've worked in it, worked out in it, I mean, it doesn't matter, but if your only goal is weight loss or your only goal is, you know, muscle gain, that's only going to drive you so far forward. You know, you need to dig a little bit deeper. There's only about 5% of the population. Obviously that's the number that I'm just throwing out there. That's disciplined enough to drive themselves forward with just having a very, I want to gain three pounds of muscle in the next two months. And this is how I'm going to do it.

The vast majority of people need something deeper in their lives to drive them forward and waking up every day or getting out of work every day and saying, all right, got to go to the gym again to lose those five pounds is not going to do the trick. But if they get out of work after a really long day and they can say to themselves that they're that they're going to the gym to lose those five pounds in order to benefit them and benefit their family and benefit their lives in general, that's going to drive them forward a lot, a lot quicker. Now, really quick break from the show. I want to propose a educational series to you guys, for you clinicians out there. This is not intended for patients. I recorded a webinar series a little while back. I recorded it. It's over 15 hours easily when you put all six parts together, but I broke them up into two, three hour bits. We cover what I call the five-step patient care system. And I've I've developed this because I've been training interns and this is a good way to organize thoughts for them and also an easy way for me to teach too. And so step one is history taking, working diagnosis, physical examination, dynamic testing, and good exam flows, just really good solid exam flows, knowing when to use them for hips and shoulders and backs and cervical and so on. Also, we do cover first aids, how to get people out of pain without having to use medications and really without even having to put our hands too much on them either. That's very empowering for people to be able to do stuff on their own. We also cover corrective exercises, which is number three. And when to use them, how to use them, which ones to use, how to cue them, how to coach them. Then we cover loading.

DMACC, Dr. DMACC also covers a little bit into the other products we have on the page too. That one is, if you want to go a little bit more into depth on number four, which is loading, Dr. DMACC covers that again in 12 hours of the low back one, or sorry, no, it's two hours, two hours of the low back one and another two hours of upper quarter and cervical spine. So as you can see, I cannot fit it completely within the five step series because it takes more detail than that. So he covers it a little bit more thoroughly in there, but I do make introductions into it. And I do do some of my coaching and cueing style too, which is a little bit different than his.

However, I want you guys to go through this and really take the heart of the, what I'm going to say is, and taking the light that is intended. If you don't get this, shame on you. Shame on you because it is one of the most educational, useful, cheapest series that you can possibly get to improve your clinical knowledge. Again, I don't say that lightly, but I feel like a dick when I say it is if you don't get it, I don't know what you're spending your money on. I don't know why you're going to all these other workshops that show only little tiny parts of things. And so this is an organizational series. I know a lot of you already know how to do tissue work. You already know how to do some stretching techniques. You already know some exercise techniques. Why do more? Why do more?

You might as well just figure out where you're missing things and learn that one. Learn how to plug in those things you already know. Many of you are very, very good at tissue work already, and you don't need to go to more. I know that I spend a lot of time doing a lot of tissue work. I don't need to learn a lot more. I probably need a little bit more, but not a lot more. I need to figure out where my competencies are lacking. And for many years, my competency was lacking in corrective exercise cue and loading strategies. And so after plugging those things in, man, freaking game changer, freaking game changer.

Anyways, we cover hip, shoulder, low back, cervical spine, and referred symptoms. I'm going to share with you a review that we have on the low back one taken by one of the people who went through the course as I taught it live. I highly recommend this guide to any chiropractor and physical therapist looking to up their game in treatment of the low back. The guide is a great supplement to anyone who likes crisp book protocols by Don Murphy. If you read those books and agree with the patient's needs to have better control of their own health, then you will love this. Sebastian Gonzales gives you a step-by-step guideline of what to look for in examples of exercises for treatments that will be useful the next day, not just theories and concepts. Great. Well written. I like that. So please go through there.

Again, take my comments in the light that it was intended. I want everyone to improve. I want our profession to improve. I continue to learn people who have been around longer than me as well. And there's no need for everyone to struggle and try to reinvent the wheel. I know we get frustrated when our patients try to struggle through some of the easy stuff that you could teach them. Don't make the same mistake they do. Don't let them go around on YouTube videos looking for solutions when you have an easy solution for them. So p2sportscare.com/products. You won't be disappointed. We'll see you on the other side. Back to the show.

There's, there's, there's certain ones where it's just like, okay, we're trying to be better than the status quo. And there's other ones that are of the same, of the same, um, franchise who are like, we're just going to do standard crap. You know, is there, I don't want to get you in trouble with talking about anytime fitness anyways, but is there, is there, how does that push? How does that go? And is there any challenges in the way? I mean, there are always, I would think the biggest challenge is the fact of that some people do see it as the fact that they can kind of skate by in the status quo until they get quote unquote caught by corporate. Um, whereas, and the, the biggest benefit of it, or, I mean, the benefit of it is for your clients and your membership. But if you're just going from an ownership standpoint of it, and if you're just thinking about these different changes that corporate is trying to implement, if you could look at it from a bigger picture and say, okay, well, yeah, I'm gonna have to put forth a little extra capital here up front, but just think of how it's going to turn this place around, turn this club culture around, turn this training program around, turn my clients and this community around in the long run. I mean, it's, it's pennies on the dollar, if you think about it from a financial standpoint, but it's just, it's, you can't measure it because it's amazing.

I mean, we took over this club a little, uh, little over, or I'm sorry, a little under a year ago. And this club was actually one of the bottom 50 performing clubs in the nation. And like I said, we have almost 3000 clubs in the nation and we're now up to, I don't know what the, um, what the exact number that we're at right now, but the fact that we have now surpassed tripling the profit margin of the club in a little under a year just by implementing the exact same changes that corporate's trying to implement all the way around the nation is staggering. And it's just, we just wish that when we get gasped from other clubs that, you know, we'll say, man, I love, I love your club. I love what you guys are doing. I love all this. Yes. That's nice to hear. But at the same time, we're, we're really aspiring to the point where we would love to hear.

I love the fact that it's, it's so universal throughout that I'm getting the same experience in, you know, Indiana or California or Michigan. I mean, it's fantastic. Yeah, that is, that is the, I think it's the hard part, you know, it's like, and that goes from, I'm sure people stick with trainers and, you know, coaches, the different types, and even clinicians because they, um, they like the personality, the uniqueness of that one person. So it's kind of hard to duplicate authenticity, you know, and, uh, like the experience. But I, I, I know that with, um, I think Equinox has done like a, uh, they started training the different levels of their trainers for, um, uh, uh, different skill sets and so on. And I know like, uh, some of them are goal setting in which you'll get some out of certain tiers versus other trainers. Um, do you guys have like a, uh, how do you, how do you, how do you learn to get to down to this? Why with people? Because, um, we don't learn it in school and like, actually we're probably the worst. We go through and we're like, person comes in with like knee pain. It's like, great. I know what to do with this person.

And you don't really sit there too often and digest down if that, is that person willing to navigate the entire treatment plan and if they're going to drop out or not, you know? So it's a skill set. I'd love to see, hear how you guys are doing it because if it's working, it's working, you know? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, um, and the biggest thing is the fact of that we are telling people right off the bat that we're not just going to let them jump into an exercise program half-heartedly. And this is not only just what we offer, but this is what we offer because we know for a fact it's going to get you to where you want to go and where you need to be. I mean, it's, you know, we've all talked to countless number of walk-ins appointments, anyone looking for a gym membership who has told you 5,000 stories about how they used to be a member three years ago and then they haven't been back in a year, or this is the eighth gym that they've been a member of, or they've just never been a member of a gym for reasons X, Y, and Z. And the reasons are relatively the same for most of those people. And so the biggest thing is for us of how we can get them down to that. Why is, you know, figuring out first why they have jumped around or why they have never been to a gym in the first place. And once you understand kind of what they're looking for, it becomes a lot easier to bring them onto your side of the conversation and saying, okay, well, would you be willing to do things our way? And we'll have a little assessment here. First off, before we go ahead and just jump right into an exercise program. So you're not going to hurt yourself and go ahead and never come back to a gym again.

So, so actually, what are those, what are the most common reasons? Because we never hear on this side is clinicians too much other than, you know, the fallouts. And I'm actually curious the reason why people stay actually, too. Like, what are their common reasons? I would say the biggest reason that people don't come to a gym or don't come regularly or just never been in is the lack of a plan. And whether that's a certain written out periodized eight week, 12 week plan, or whether it's just a, I know what I'm going to do when I walk in the door that day. I mean, it's, we come right out and tell people right off the, right off the bat, especially at our gym, the way that we have it set up, you know, it's not a walk in run of the mill, a lot of machines, a lot of cardio. We have, uh, we have an area of purple turf. We have a lot of kettlebells. We have a lot of slam balls, a lot of equipment that a lot of people haven't seen before, unless they're flipping through channels and they land on the X there, the CrossFit games.

So it's an intimidating place. And we will tell them that right off the back, right off the get go, right when they walk in the door, this is intimidating. I understand that. I understand that sitting down with me right now is intimidating. It's hard for somebody who's never been to a gym. So I appreciate the fact that you've made that one go, that one leap. Now let's talk about how we're going to get you in there further. And let's talk about how we're going to set you up with a plan. So when we do go ahead and after all these questions that we're asking them about getting to the why, it really helps us to constantly go back to, okay, this is how we're going to set you up going forward because of this, always referring back to things that they have mentioned in our conversation. So that one, they know that we're actually listening to them. And that two, you know, they know that we're going to work towards their goals and not just throw them into some cookie cutter program.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's great. I love that actually with, um, I've never personally been in Tim, I don't remember being intimidated by going into a gym, but I can totally see it. You know, there's lots of things that, uh, you don't know how to use. And it's, um, I've never actually, you know, the first person, first trainer I've heard that actually recognizes the, the fear of going into a place, um, and then just kind of leaving yourself at the, at the will of whatever this person is going to do with you, you know? So it's, that's great. I love that. So, and we, and, and one of the things that we even have, um, you know, for us, and it helps me out personally when I do have that conversation is I'm a big guy. I'm a lot bigger than a lot of these people walking in, especially some of these older people who are going to walk in and the first person you're going to talk to is a six to 200 pound guy. Who's looking in pretty good shape.

I mean, immediately who's going to tell who's supposed to tell you exactly what you're going to do. And I mean, we all have these shows on TV nowadays that, you know, the biggest loser, my dream, my revenge body or whatever like that, where you see personal trainers doing nothing but yelling at people all the time and, you know, allowing them to eat, you know, a subway sandwich for the day. So it's the, the biggest thing is again, just setting that person at ease right off the get go. If it's nothing more than just putting your hand out, shaking their hand and introducing yourself and showing them around the club before you get into any conversation about, you know, what, what kind of exercises they're going to do.

Yeah, actually you brought something that reminded me of with, um, I've had people come in before where like, so I'm, I'm 37. I'm short. I'm five, seven. You're, you're, you're like a whole foot taller than me, I think. Um, but, uh, so I've had people come in and so they're, they're not old, but they're older, you know? And so I remember this one guy came in and so I was trying to explain, here's what we could be doing and how you could be feeling and so on and what we should do. And so finally he stopped me. He's like, you don't get it. You're young. I'm old. You don't feel what I feel. I'm like, you're right. I don't feel what you feel. And I'm, I'm never, I'm, I'm never going to be at the age that you're at at the same time. So I get it. And so it's, um, I think kind of from like a, some, from a client to trainer perspective, it's like, so this, this six, six guy comes up just muscle bound and so on. It's like, he might have me do something that he thinks he could do versus something that I could do.

You know what I mean? Um, or are you like, I know that I, whenever I have that lash back with people a little bit and I say, look, I've had disc injuries. I've had shoulder pain. I've had knee pain. I've had a tibial plateau fracture. I've had FAI. I've had all this stuff. I'm fine right now. Right. And so like, oh, you had that. I'm like, yeah, I've had that. Just understand you can get better. So I understand what you're feeling, but I might not be the same age, you know? So I get it. And so do you ever go through like a story of like, look, I was never like, I was never like this cut dude. I was always sick, sick, but here's how I can relate to you on your level of my first gym experience. Or do you ever go through anything like that or?

Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, it, it does, um, help out obviously to bring things back to a personal level. You know, I went through when I was in high school, I was overweight. I wasn't morbidly obese or anything, but I was definitely heavier than I should have been. I was, you know, I couldn't tell you the last time that I had actually gone and lifted a weight. You know, I played basketball. I was slow. I couldn't jump. It was ridiculous. I, and I, and I got sick of it. And once I got my license, I went ahead and I spent every day I could drive into the gym and spent four hours in the gym before I learned that you did not need to spend four hours in the gym.

Um, but the biggest thing for, for us is the fact of, and this is why I love our training philosophy, the way I do, when people do bring that up to me in a very similar situation to you, you know, normally the majority of people are very understanding when it comes to, you know, okay, well, this has happened to you. So, okay. We have a little personal connection. Every now and again, you get that pushback of someone go, well, maybe you've had the injury before, but you're younger, you recover faster, things like that. Um, and it all boils down to when I can look at them and say, but here's a really cool thing about how we're going to train.

And we train you based on how you're going to move. And it doesn't matter if you're 87, it doesn't matter if you're 37, doesn't matter if you're 17, every human body has the same six, you know, if you want to get technical seven basic movement patterns about that, everybody has a knee bend, everybody's going to go into a squat every now and again, everybody has to hip hinge, you know, whether it's to deadlift or to bend down and tie your shoes, everybody's going to push and pull vertically. Everyone's going to push and pull horizontally, you know, and then everyone's going to do, you need some kind of stability, you need some kind of unilateral strength in your legs. I mean, for walking upstairs, you're just walking in general. And can we agree on that? And the, well, well, yeah, we can agree on that. And I'll say, okay, so it really doesn't matter if I'm 34 and you're 64, it's the fact of we can do the same movement patterns. It's just yours might be regressed a little bit, a little bit lower than where mine would be right now for now. But then a couple months from now, maybe we're not regressed anymore. Maybe we're progressing. We're seeing those movement patterns come up a little bit. So whatever you're doing in here, the stronger you're getting in those movement patterns in here, the stronger you're going to get out there. And the look at me and we'll say, okay, well, yeah, that makes sense. I'll say, I know it makes sense. That's why we do it.

Nice. I like that. What's, um, what's your movement assessment look like? Like what, uh, what do you kind of take them through roughly? So we do, um, the, an overhead squat assessment where we'll have them, you know, hands up as high as you can to the ceiling. And then without any cues on how to squat or anything like that, we'll have them perform three squats. Uh, and you know, every single time they're doing any movement patterns, the first thing, whether it's the first thing that we tell, um, clients when we're putting them through it, or the first thing that we tell the, um, our trainers when we're bringing on a new coach is constantly, constantly, constantly, even to the point of annoying them, ask them if it hurts, ask them if there's any, if there's any pain, you stop right away. You don't try and have them push through it. So you have the overhead squat assessment. Um, and then we do a split squat, you know, they drop into a split squat, trying to keep that chest up nice and high.

Um, do that five or six times on one side and then go ahead and switch. But at the same time, we have a, uh, we have a little dowel where we make sure that their, their feet are right up against it. So we can try and assess if they're going off balance at all, because obviously split squats are great for, you know, knee bend strength. But at the same time, if you don't have the stability, you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. Um, we have a, uh, you know, where I don't know how to really describe it over, uh, over the phone, but just, um, where you're trying to take your fists and touch them behind your back where one goes up, one comes down like sunblock maneuver.

Yeah. So I'm saying, yes, thank you. See how closely you can get your hands together. I mean, obviously that's the biggest one where people are going to experience some pain because geez, like everybody nowadays has some kind of shoulder impendement going on. So, but then that's a big one to tell us whether that person should be overhead pressing right away or not. Um, we do a lot of, uh, we do some core stability where we'll have them do a couple of bird dogs. Um, and then just a regular standard plank. If they can hold a plank for 30 seconds without, without shaking and not just that regular run of the mill, everybody can hold it for 20 minutes plank, but we have them, you know, tilt their hips up towards their, towards their shoulder or towards their elbows that are on the ground and squeeze their glutes as hard as they can. They can do that without shaking for 30 seconds.

Then they got, then they got some solid core strength. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. I'm glad you qualified that one. Yeah. We're going to hold a plank for a while. Um, before, before you, before you go on, actually, let me, some of the listeners might wonder what is it, what is it, what is the difference of those planks? Um, well, I mean, you know, if you're holding that regular plank position, the one where your hips are just kind of relaxed, your glutes are just relaxed, then it's not necessarily your core. That is. And I mean, when, when I say core, you know, a lot of people think core is going to be just your abs, you know, core is, core is pretty much chest to butt, uh, as you know. And so when you, you're not engaging your full core, when you don't engage those hips, you don't engage those glutes. You're basically just holding yourself up by your shoulders, uh, for your forearms. And then, you know, you're digging your toes into the ground.

But as far as, you know, anywhere from 30 to 60% of your core doesn't have to be engaged in order to hold yourself in that position. If you have super strong shoulders, you can hold yourself as long as you want that position. But at the same time, you take that person, you tell them, okay, you know, you hold, get into a plank and then everybody gets into a plank the way that they know how to do it. And you tell them, all right, you give them a couple of cues and say, all right, I want you to imagine your tips and I want you to tilt them towards your elbows. And then you say, okay, does it feel like that feel like you're cramping up in your lower abs a little bit? And they'll say, yeah. And then they say, now I want you to squeeze your butt as hard as you can. I'll say, okay. And I say, does it feel like your throat, you're going to throw up at any minute? And they'll say, yeah. And I'll go, well, good.

You're doing it right then. Doing a real plank. Yeah. I always think it's funny. The, um, yeah, the, the push, like when people can't do a plank for 30 seconds, but they do pushups and burpees and they just like, look like a bunch of drinking cows out there. Yeah. It's quite interesting. And that's it. And I mean, that's a great indicator of the fact of when people do those movement assessments. And if somebody is holding that plank and they're shaking like crazy, the first time we take them through an actual workout, when they come back, we can refer them back to, cause we train a lot of people in small groups. Uh, we do very, very little one-on-one training. We do a lot of two to four, uh, person training and it's still a small enough number where it allows us to personalize in on everyone and customize their specific movement patterns and their resistance load and things. But as I'm giving out that specific exercise to the rest of the group, and then I look at that one person, I say, okay, well, we're going to regress yours down a little bit. Every now and again, you get that one person who's like, what? No, no, no, I can do that. I can, give me a shot. I can do that. And you say, okay, I know you could do it. You probably wouldn't do it correctly right off the bat. But remember back, back when we did your assessment and I told you to do that plank and you couldn't even hold it for 30 seconds without shaking like a leaf. That's why we're not going to do it because that core has to be super steady for this. And we're going to, we're going to regress it down a little bit to make sure that core is up to where we want it to be, to make sure that, you know, your, your lower back's not taken over or your hips aren't taken over. You're not going to end up, you know, with a silly muscle pull for a silly reason.

Mm-hmm. Nice. Um, yeah, I totally agree with that. Um, with the, um, we, we usually teach high tension planks in here for just, um, to, to, to give an example of a position, uh, one position with different tensions, you know, so I'm like, you can hold the position, but we can talk all day versus you're, you're tensing up in there and building some co-contraction. So, um, we, we've showed that from the knees and so on, um, as well. And, uh, you mentioned earlier that somebody, um, like we have a couple of people who this, they loved it. They're like pleasers. And it's like, we have to start off every session with, okay, none of these should hurt. They should feel effortful, you know? And so if you, if it hurts, say something and we can make a change. And so a lot of times you can like, I will take a look at their face and they'll like wincing and stuff.

And it's like, what's going on? They're like, oh, it's just starting to hurt my main problem. Say something, you know, like say, like there's a two way street. You have pain that is helping you tell me what I can help you with. Say something, you know, like me and a guy had a conversation the other day about it. And it was kind of like a, like, I just paused him like a heart to heart. I'm like, look, none of the, like, I don't, I don't, you've probably been through other therapies before they, maybe they let it hurt. It should not hurt. You have to communicate that to me, you know, or else we can't go on. So he understood that pretty well.

And, but it sounds like you guys are doing the same thing too. Um, um, so one of the biggest conversations we have with people is about that. It's about exactly, this is our relationship from now on. No, I'm going to tell you about what you're going to do in the only thing I need from you in return is the fact of you got to tell me if it hurts. Cause if it hurts, I can tell you right now, I got 50 different ideas how we can regress this to make it not hurt. Yeah. And that's definitely, it's a, it's a good skill to have to, to be able to regress and progress people. And it, and it can happen quick. Like I'm sure you can on a fly.

Okay. Go to your knees. Okay. Go to like, take one hand away or something like that, you know? Yeah. I mean, that's like, and, and one of my biggest skills that I've always thought of me as as a coach is adaptability where I can, like you said, on the fly, I've become really, really good. And through a long career so far doing it as well. Um, but that's really helped me out a ton. And so it has been, uh, really beneficial for our clients. And the biggest thing that when it comes to regressions is I think that the vast community overall in the fitness community regresses too far, too fast when it comes to those, just anything. I mean, take a pushup for instance, you know, the person drops down on the floor to do a pushup. And if they can't get down to where their chest is pretty much touching the ground and they're pushing themselves up in a nice smooth motion, the first thing they do is drop to their knees. Well, we'll stop doing that. You don't want to drop to your knees. You're, you're not going to learn the movement pattern. You, you're the only thing you're going to get stronger at is the knee pushup. So go ahead. And I'd, I'd rather that person hop up on a TRX and put their hands up on some TRX straps or put their hands up on an elevated surface of some sort and do a pushup. That's going to, that's going to show you that movement pattern. And so when you do get stronger in that movement pattern, we can just drop the, drop the elevation that you're at until you're back on the floor, as opposed to regressing yourself 10 steps. And then you're seeing yourself not stress the body. And because you're not stressing the body the way you should, you're not progressing the way you should.

Yeah. When you're, when you're, um, cause I know you're, you've been in the industry a long time and so you're quite quick at that to identify where you can regress and then challenge people more. Um, when you train new trainers, how do you lay that thing out? Cause that's, I would imagine a lot of that take experience and also doing it on your own, but then I'm, I'd love to say there's an algorithm with this stuff, but you know, like, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you train it or how do you train them to, to train people? It would be nice if there was an algorithm on this stuff. Yeah. They've tried, I think, but yeah. And I'm sure they'll keep trying. Uh, you know, one of the biggest things is, uh, especially when we have, when we're training new coaches is it's, it's just imperative. We try, we have our, our, um, workouts, whether it's our small group workouts, whether it's our team workouts, uh, our layout, our template, um, preset a week out in advance, sometimes two weeks, sometimes three weeks. And towards the end of that first week, we'll go ahead and we'll take some time out and we'll go over all of the, uh, next week programs together. And the biggest thing when I'm sitting down with new coaches is not only will we go through that program, make sure they have all those specific exercises that are written down on there, but then go through them and say, okay, how would you regress this? Okay. How would you progress this?

Because sometimes when we're looking at our certain template, you know, the biggest thing, like I just said is the regression is five steps behind where it needs to be. Whereas, okay, let's not hop back so far. Let's still, let's still ask that person. Cause it is still a trial and error basis. You know, if that person's just coming on, you know, how would you regress at just one step? If they're almost there, if they're just a, just a scotch away from getting that exact thing down, what would you do to accommodate them? Whether it's give them a resistance band or give them an elevated surface or something like that. So I think having this, those conversations where, you know, basically it's nothing more than being prepared, I would assume.

I like that. Uh, I haven't heard you, uh, I haven't heard anyone use the word scotch for a while, so thank you for that. Um, cool. The, so before we go on too far away from it, because we're going to start closing up soon is that, so I heard, uh, the movement assessments cause I still want to hear them. Uh, so there was overhead squat, split squat with the doubt, and there was a, uh, pushup plank. There's a bird dog. Yep. The bird dog, uh, where you're, you go, not only go into the bird dog, where you're extending those opposite arms and legs, um, off your hands and knees, but then you also have to try and bring your elbow to your knee and then extend back out. And the way that we coach it to people is I want you to imagine that there's a glass of water on your back and I want you to try and touch that elbow to your knee without spilling that glass of water. Like a rotary stability one.

Exactly. The people who can do it are far and few between, but it's a phenomenal just kind of visualization of what that, what they're going for, as opposed to those people who are just twisting their body fully to get that elbow all the way to their knee. So that's a big one that helps. Um, and then we do a, uh, staggered stance forward reach off of a hip hinge just to kind of test that hip hinge to test that hamstring, hamstring mobility as well. I like that. I haven't seen that one yet, actually as a, as a screener, but, um, they tend to, uh, not load the hinge or do they fall over or do they round their back or is that what you're, the biggest thing that we see with people is they round their back. Um, the, the, because everyone's trying to get right to the floor. Um, the, we have seen a lot of people go up on their toes as well, especially the fact that that's why it's so important that we, we don't cue them, uh, ever. Uh, so when those people kind of round their back or they, they rock onto their toes are the two biggest things. Every now and again, we'll get people that just want to drop into an event and you can tell that that hip hinge has just not been a part of their life for a while. Yeah. They're dominant knee movers. Yeah. So with that, that one's actually, uh, I'm thinking about it now. If you're not, if you're not coaching them through it all, do you show them a picture or you just say, okay, so bird dog, get on all fours and put one hand out one leg back and then touch. Well, so we will, we will have them like for the bird dog, I got to run and grab my charger here before my computer dies on me. Um, for the bird dog, we will actually give them a little bit of a cue, uh, just to start with, but just so they know what they're doing, but we won't actually, um, when we talk about the overhead squat or anything like that, we don't go into detail about what we're looking for. If you should squat on your heels, squat on your toes, things like that. It's the fact of, here's what I want you to do. And I just want you to go do it the way that you've learned previously. I think I hear, is that Fergie on in the background? Excuse me? Is that Fergie on in the background? Are you playing London Bridge?

I think so, actually. No way. Every time we have a team training running, I'm a big classic rock fan myself. And every time we run a team training, she's a big stickler in the fact of, we have to get a little more music that pumps a little more life into the place. So I give her control of that. Oh man. She's probably, uh, I'm going to get, she's 30. She's 38. Isn't she? She's probably 30. She's not. She's even young, younger than that, actually. Yeah. This was the first, this was the first place that I started working at where I was actually the old guy. Oh, really? Yeah. Not, not used to it. I'm still getting used to it still.

What? Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm the, I'm the senior here now too. And so we had a guy come in yesterday. He was, uh, he was probably 50 or so. And so he was, uh, he's kind of, he's doing some, he's doing some movements and there, I had, uh, my new doc in and as well as an intern. And so they're like 26. And, uh, so they're just kind of messing around in the corner, trying stuff and it's like laughing. And he was kind of like, he's like, you guys laughing at me? No. It's like, no, I'm like, you're no, they're not laughing at you. Like, they're just digging around. But I'm like, like, it's, it's interesting. And like, if someone walks in, he's like 50 something, they see like three, like, I don't look very old, but you know, three people around the age of 30, just telling up, telling people what to do about their injuries when supposedly they probably never had a problem before in their life, you know, on the surface, it probably looks pretty terrible.

Um, it's definitely something that I've, uh, you know, luckily for me, I've dealt with a good number of injuries myself. So, you know, I can relate to them pretty well when they see me every now and I get, you know, I'll go to make a step and my, my one hip that I've, that's always given me some issues when, when it locks up on me a little bit, then maybe they get that aha moment. Like, oh, this guy does know what I'm going through. Maybe every once in a while I should come in with like crutches and stuff and say, oh, my knee, my knee flirt, my bad knee. So my, my business partner did just tear his bicep.

Oh shit. Oh, he's got a, uh, he had a hard cast on for a while and now we just showed up today with like a bionic looking thing that keeps his arm in place. But yeah, it's so that, I don't know if that gives him some more credibility or not, but we'll see where it goes. I don't know. I would imagine he'd be more empathetic to people who, when he recommends any bicep curls or he'd say like, or they'll look at him and be like, you tore your bicep curls. I think I'm not going to listen to you today. So that's great. Yeah, I know it is. It actually, for right now, it's, he's playing it off. Well, though, he, uh, he did have shoulder surgery. Um, uh, what was it? Uh, probably a lot, almost 10 years ago now. And I think it's really beneficial because he's, it's helping him explain to people the, the, uh, drawbacks of over, overcompensating with your stronger arms. I mean, so if you've had that kind of shoulder surgery that he has, um, then for years upon years, his body has been subconsciously just overcompensating to accommodate these weights that he's been using and putting more and more strain on that tendon until one day it just, cause he, all he was doing was putting away some weight. He was just re-racking some stuff and it just snapped on him. So it actually, I think it actually has, uh, led to his credibility a little bit. Yeah. So that's crazy. Yeah. I'd hate to have that. There's, I think there's two things I'd never want to tear and there are three things. Let's go with patellar tendon, Achilles and bicep tendon. And, uh, I've torn a hamstring. It wasn't that bad, but I heard that back in the day they used to take people out in the desert and just slip their Achilles tendon and then leave them like they don't make them walk for water because you can't ambulate anymore. Word in the street. I can't think of a much worse punishment than that. I know.

That has been terrible. Um, okay. Movement, movement assessments. Um, a staggered, staggered sands reach hinge and we got two more, I think. Um, and then, uh, no, we just go, we've just gone to, we, we had seven to start with, um, where we did, uh, incorporate a couple other ones. And then we've actually just gone to those basic five ones. Uh, so we've done that. We've done the overhead squat, the split stance, the hip hinge, uh, forward reach, and then the bird dog and the, um, the plank, because as far as our, um, you know, if you, if you, oh, I'm sorry. The, uh, the hands behind the head, we didn't forget about that one. Oh, right. Yeah. But when you're, I mean, those things tell us exactly what we're looking for as far as what we need to, where we need to start that individual, you know, if they're the first thing is the, obviously the overhead squat, if they're overhead squatting and they're rocking up onto their toes or, you know, they're rounding their back a little bit or their shoulders are falling forward way above their ears, things like that, you know, that's going to tell us a ton as where we can start that person on an, on any kind of a knee back formation. You know, I'm not going to give that person a kettlebell and say, all right, time for goblet squats. You know, I'm going to put that person, I'm going to, I'm going to hand them the TRX straps and say, we're going to do some squats, but we're going to hold on these for balance. Make sure that your body understands the movement pattern that we're really shooting for until we can do it without the balance help. And then we'll start adding some weight into it.

And I really think that's where a lot of people, you know, whether, whether somebody walks in here is 20 or 80, you know, ego is going to play a little bit of a part into this. And I think a lot of people, when you talk about resistance, adding some resistance to movements to get them stronger, immediately think of added weight, you know, kettlebell, something that, something that's going to make those movements look cooler than, than just, than they are. And where it's just saying, no, resistance can be anything more than just anything that your body's not used to. And if your body's not used to doing a body weight squat, your body weight's going to be plenty of resistance for you at this time. And so again, you know, that, that ego conversation is a big one we have, especially with a lot of our younger clients. So let's just take a step back on that ego. Trust me here.

And unfortunately, sometimes it takes that person going through a workout, coming back the next day and saying, or coming back two days later and saying, I couldn't walk yesterday. Yeah. I understand that. Now you're ready to start listening to me a little bit more about regressions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like how you corrected the second day because the first day they couldn't come get, they couldn't come get you. Or it took two day, two day delayed set, two day delayed onset muscle soreness, right? The two day is the one that always gets me. I'm always a second day guy. Yeah. It's funny how that changes. Like, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I feel like, uh, I always like feeling up, waking up, feeling a little sore, but I feel like it happens the day after versus two days. But, uh, two days is the common, I think, right?

Yeah. That's the, that's probably the most prevalent where you're going to hear about it the most. I had a client come in. Um, I saw him for the first time in a week. Uh, and I asked him, I said, all I said was good to see you. How you been feeling? And he said it was the first time in four days that he's actually been able to walk correctly. Yeah. Sorry. I don't know what you want me to say. Yeah. Yeah. It's a surprise to people sometimes that, uh, they've maybe, that maybe it's a good wake up call to them that I didn't know I was that deconditioned, you know, and that, um, even something simple that maybe it was a little bit more advanced than you would have given them still. They're like, man, I got crushed on that. Like that, that shouldn't happen. You know?

Yeah. Yeah. One of our, uh, one of our team trainings is, uh, we call it our base team training and it concentrates all of your, all the movement patterns you're going to do for that day. All the loading is going to concentrate on your stability and your core and everybody. I mean, just everybody. It doesn't matter who it is. When I explain it to them right off the bat, I think it's just balanced training. I can do that. I mean, I'll, I'll do that all day. And that's usually the, one of the first sessions that we put them into. And you can tell right off the bat, if that person has trouble getting through that session, you know, we have a very high conversion rate of that person coming in the next day and going, okay, I need to sign up for some training. Great. Um, as we start to finish up here, is there anything you want to recap on or, or think something else that we should cover that we just didn't hit yet?

Um, you know, I think what we hit all the biggest points that I was really, uh, that I'd really like to get across there is the fact of, you know, like I had said before, just the fact everybody who comes into the gym, whether it's, you know, to build some muscle, to get stronger, to lose some weight, you know, those are all what, what I refer to as side effects of any training program. I mean, if you start a training program, you could pull it from the internet, you could pull a random program, you could come into the gym and just, do anything for 45 minutes, as long as you're consistently working. And chances are, you're going to gain some kind of muscle. You're going to lose some kind of weight. You're probably going to get a little bit stronger. You know, obviously those, how, how much is going to vary based on the workload. And as long as you're not eating like an idiot, when you, when you leave the gym, you know, you're going to see some results and that's great. But the, the thing that's not guaranteed in those training programs and the thing that is guaranteed in a training program like ours is the fact of whether you're going to leave there moving better. I mean, I think we've all either known or we've seen at a gym somewhere or anything, you know, you see these power lifters or these bodybuilders who aesthetically they look phenomenal, but all of a sudden their movement patterns, you watch them for a little bit longer, their movement patterns, they suck. Yeah. And I mean, they've been concentrating so much on putting this muscle on while at the same time, neglecting the movement that by the time they put all this muscle on the body's freaking out 24 hours a day, seven days a week, because it doesn't know what it's supposed to do now. Yeah. So, well, I think too, with that is, uh, so if you hit that goal in the beginning with them, if you find out that why of why I just want to move better and feel better playing a kid and so on. Um, I mean, I, ideally I think bodybuilding is fine for the, for that goal of hypertrophic change, you know, but it doesn't meet the goal of moving better. And so it sounds like you're just corralling them into this. You're, you should walk out feeling like, like you're moving better, you know, because that's the goal is the goal, right? So it's not the other goal that they didn't mention. And you can, and you can tell them, and I make a big point of this of saying that those other three goals are accomplished in a relative, relatively simple manner. I mean, not easy by any chance, but simple. And the fact of, if your goal is to add some muscle on, then you need to add probably a little bit more volume of whatever you're doing right now. And you need to, you know, you need to have that volume and maybe take a set more, more towards failure. Now you can do those in a movement pattern, uh, training system. If your goal is strength, that's nothing more than just consistently overloading the muscles of what it's used to right now. We can do that in a movement pattern system.

And if your goal is weight loss, then you just need to eat in a caloric deficit and burn some calories. We're definitely going to do that because I mean, we're not sitting on a machine. We're up and about, we're engaged, everything we're doing. And the heart rate monitors that we have all our clients hooked up to are going to tell us exactly how many calories we're running. So we're going to get all that stuff, but wouldn't it be better if I promised you all that muscle gain or all that strength gain or all that weight loss that you said you wanted, but at the same time, you're going to have that plus moving 10 times better than you did a year ago when you walked in here. And there's not a person in the world who can sit there and go, no, I'm fine. I want, I want, I want some muscle gain, but I'd, I'd much rather like to move more poorly than I do right now.

Yeah. They can inject that jelly they put in muscles now. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. That person can live on cortisone shots for the rest of their life that they want to, I guess. Yeah. Um, before we close then, actually, I've been dying to know what's that picture behind you? It's a football field. That is a Ford field. Um, well, I am a Lions fan diehard. I've tried to change it. I can't. Um, and, uh, I actually, when I was back in, uh, back when I used to work for the elementary school, um, I actually was a, I coached varsity basketball and the Lions came to the school and I got to play basketball with a bunch of them. Oh, nice. And my wife went out that day and bought that poster so that she could bring it to the, bring it to the, um, the gym and I could get assigned by a bunch of them. So we got some, we got some of the Lions greats up there and there aren't that many of the Lions greats, but we got some. Nice. Well, cool. How can everybody reach you? Um, you know, one, I would just encourage them to look into a local anytime fitness by them, uh, really is going to be the, a great place to start as far as their fitness journeys. Because like I said, hopefully more and more anytime fitnesses are going towards this movement training process, but if they'd like to reach me personally, I would absolutely like to help out in any way I can. Um, and my email is just a nice, simple Gmail. It's M as in Mike, B as in boy, C A R H A R T at gmail.com. Um, if they're curious about the type of stuff that we do here at the club, uh, they can look us up on Facebook through anytime fitness, cold water.

Uh, we also have an Instagram, the same handle. Nice. I'm perfect. Thanks so much for being on. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah. Have a great day. You too. Cool. Mike stomach. Thanks so much for being on. Uh, great talking to you. So, um, everybody, if you have not done so already, please subscribe to the show and share it with a friend, a colleague, another chiropractor or PT or a strength coach. You feel like it might be beneficial beneficiary or they might like the information. So please share the show. It's the only way it grows. We don't do any type of paid advertising for the show. And so please grow it organically and, uh, hopefully get this message out to more people. So thanks so much for being on and I will talk to you guys next time. Thanks for being part of the movement.