Training quality of motion before strength, speed and sport

This is session number 28 of the Performance Place Sports Care Podcast. Booyah! Welcome to the Performance Place Sports Care Podcast, where you can learn about sports injury theory, rehab, diagnosis, and how to understand the doctor lingo you didn't understand at your appointment. And now, your host, Dr. Sebastian Gonzales. Hey everyone, it's Dr. Sebastian Gonzales again from the Performance Place Sports Care Podcast, and thanks for tuning in and listening. And if you read the description, you're going to know that we're actually interviewing someone today. And he is someone I've known for probably, gosh, probably about six, seven years now.

His name is Roy Corey. It's spelled K-H-O-U-R-Y. Is that right, Roy? Yep, correct. Okay. So this is Roy. He is an interesting type of trainer, which the reason why I thought I'd bring him on was because usually when most of you think of trainers, you think of, hey, I'm going to get a six-pack, I just want to get some muscles, get in better shape. And no, this is not what a lot of what Roy does. And if you actually follow his Instagram, which he'll tell you what it is, you'll see him doing some really odd things. Hopefully not too odd. Well, they're odd enough. We were actually speaking the other day about, like, I know what he's trying to do there, and a lot of other people that work with movement know what he's trying to do, and it's great.

It's really, really good stuff. But I don't know if everyone else knows how great it is. So that's why I thought I would bring Roy on. So, Roy, you tell us about yourself, and we'll kind of go from there. Yeah, no problem. Well, my name is Roy Corey. I'm the owner of Roy Corey Fitness over in Newport Beach, California. I'm a personal trainer by trade, but my specialty and my expertise lies in post-rab and golf fitness, believe it or not. I'm certified as a Titleist Performance Institute Level 3 golf fitness instructor, and I work with a lot of Orange County's finest golf instructors and their students.

And for me, one of the biggest things that I look about and that I care about first is, does somebody move as well as they possibly could before I care about things like aesthetics or even sport, even the golf swing, for example? I have a background with a degree in kinesiology from Cal State Fullerton, and I've been in this field for about the last 15 years. Yeah, so definitely, so you're not someone who's just kind of in it for a fad, like between, you know, your real job and college. Like, this is like your career. Yeah, I think 15 years in is not a fad anymore. You should be considering getting out of it now.

I mean, you've got to be able to, how many times have you changed careers already? Uh, zero. Oh, man, you're so due for, I would consider, I would consider podcasting for mine. I think this is a slight switch of career, but kind of the same environment at least. But, yeah. So, you said that you're more concerned with people, how they move, and I'm just curious, how many times do you, what percentage of the time do you see someone come in and actually move really, really well where you're like, oh, my God, I can't do anything with this person. It's exactly how someone move. Uh, you know, that's a really good question.

That's an interesting question to answer. Um, not, not very often, I should say. Not like, not move well completely often. Um, I mean, at the end of the day, we're, we're human beings. We've sustained some sort of an injury somewhere. Uh, whether it's, you know, bum knee, a bum shoulder, we learn how to compensate around that. So, we're going to do some things wrong. Does it mean we do everything wrong? No. But, for me, working with, uh, recreational golfers or professional golfers, um, they want to play better. They want to move better. They want to hit the ball further. So, I need to make sure all that stuff is as clean as clean can be before I care about, you know, adding distance or, uh, improving their speed or their power or whatever it's going to be.

Yeah. We want to make sure to, I'm guessing, cleaning up motions and, uh, creating stabilization around those joints before we add just a big ripping effect on them, I'm guessing. Right, right. So, then, you said, then if someone has an injury and they're kind of compensating around the injury, but the entire movement's not bad. Let's just say, let's just say we have someone with a past ACL injury. Sure. And then you want them to squat or to deadlift or rotate. Is there any certain parts that you usually see that, so, usually are their hips working well, are their ankles working well, but just their knee is wacky?

Or is there, the entire thing is just junk? Yeah. I mean, that, that varies person to person, but you kind of hit the nail on the head. If somebody has sustained a prior knee injury, I want to make sure that same side and even opposite side ankle and hip can move well. Um, the knee, for example, is kind of like the big, dumb jock, sort of a joint. It's just one big, powerful joint that really does one thing very well. Uh, so, if it's getting repetitive movement strain, I'm going to check to see if my ankle or my hip, uh, is not moving well. So, then he's compensating or if they ended up getting hit, they're in a collision sport and they blew out an ACL, you know, it's a different story.

Uh, we might just have to make sure it, it remains functional and good, but yeah, I always want to check the joints above and below, uh, any sort of an injured joint to see where a compensation might be. Yeah. I don't, I don't think I've heard, uh, would you call it a dumb jock of a joint? I always think of like the knee as like a linebacker, you know what I mean? It has one job. It's like big, strong, powerful. It's going to do one thing and it should do that one thing really well. Uh, if it's being asked to do other things like move in rotation too much or move laterally too much, then you blow stuff out and that's never really fun.

Yeah. The, uh, I always call, I always call the knee joint just a hinge and it, and it doesn't like other types of motion. And, uh, I've always heard, and I don't remember who said this, but I really liked it. They called the knee the redheaded stepchild. Did you hear that one? No, I hadn't. How so? Oh, so they said the knee is the redheaded stepchild of the lower extremity. It always gets blamed, but it's never its fault. That is freaking awesome. How perfect. Yeah. I'm going to steal. Yeah, you can. I'll take the linebacker one. So, so, uh, actually we met, I was trying to think about actually how actually we met, I believe it was through, and I know Roy does a bunch of golf stuff and I dabbled in more golf specific stuff earlier in my career with the Tyler's performance Institute.

And wasn't it that, I know that they, they endorsed that they want medical as well as, um, trainers and technique coaches to all talk and they want us to do, uh, cases together. So I think I contacted you to do my case. Was that how it worked? Yeah, I, I, that, I remember it the same way. Um, that's actually one thing that I really do enjoy about TPI. Uh, and I've tried to emulate that as much as I could. Um, it's having a good team around you. Um, I understand as a trainer, I have the scope that I can work in. Um, and if what I do is not making someone better or not making them improve, or if there's pain present, that's where I then need like a Sebastian. I need a medical person to come in and say, Hey, you know what? This and this and that is going on. They can assess it. They can diagnose it. I can't. Um, same thing on the technique side.

I'm here to be able to back up what a skills coach, what a swing coach wants their player's body to do. I need to make sure it can do it and it can handle the stress of repetition or speed or power. And, uh, you know, that, that, that's my role. So I try to work within that role as best as I possibly can. Have you ever, have you found then, so there's, there's, there's, there's a skills coach. Um, have you found any resistance to this idea to like co-manage and work together from certain types of providers or, um, what's your experience on that? Yeah, that's a, it's a yes and no question. There are some very, uh, you know, old school mentalities, whether it's in the medical or the skills world that, uh, you know, don't think training should be involved. Um, I deal with that quite a bit with some of my old school golf instructors, uh, who think their student should not lift weights because it'll make them muscle bound. Um, I deal with that with some medical providers that will, uh, never truly clear somebody for return to play. Uh, when I don't think that's right sometimes, but you know, that's not my call. It's just my goal to support.

Uh, try and form a relationship and, uh, try and learn from medical or skills and, and interject and teach when I can. So, yeah, I definitely think that the, you know, the relationship between the provider and the skills coach and the trainer is important. And I know that, um, I don't think I, I told you that I had a great relationship with one of the college coaches for running. Um, and it was really tough to get the strength coach to even communicate. Right. And it was really, really frustrating. And I don't think it was helpful to the athletes at all. Um, I remember one girl came in, she was a, she was a vaulter and she, uh, she said that in the weight room, she was not able to snatch, but everyone else is doing snatches. I'm like, cool, great. Um, so she actually had, uh, her, her back was hurting. She didn't tolerate extension well. So we looked at her lifting and I mean, it was something that the coach could easily cleaned up, but she just said he was not willing to talk and not willing to help. And it was really, really frustrating. So.

Yeah. That's, yeah, that's challenging. Yeah. I've had a little experience with, uh, college scenarios as well. And, uh, you know, the thing I see with the college strength and conditioning coaches is they're very young, uh, oftentimes still in school. Uh, not a lot of experience under the belts. They might be working kind of flavor of the day sort of thing for, for their athletes. And maybe don't know how to coach or cue or feel like they, lose control if they lose control if they communicate outside. And that's a challenging one. That's tough. Yeah. And so you do, I know they do like, they do really large groups often and right. You do smaller typically, right? Like what is your max amount of size that you've worked that you usually do work with?

Uh, well, I mean, it depends on the scenario in the studio. I do no more than like a four to one. Um, I believe for me more than four, it's hard for me to have enough eyes on things. Uh, and it really depends on the level of the client, uh, whether I'll group them that way. I've done stuff offsite at golf courses where I've had up to 20 some odd kids. And, uh, you know, I've, I've oftentimes brought help with me just to kind of get another set of eyes. Um, but I also try and, you know, uh, throw a little asterisk on those scenarios. Just realize you're not going to get high function, high level coaching as you would with one-on-one in a group setting.

It's just not going to happen. There's just not enough, uh, there's just not enough individuality there. And that's okay. As long as that's established and we know that everybody's cleared for movement and they're ready to do stuff, it's fine. So explain that a little bit further when some, so things will fall through the cracks, the larger the group gets, right? Unfortunately, I mean, if you have a room of 20 people with one person instructing, uh, they're basically going to be a moderator. Um, you know, they're going to coach obviously when they can, but people are moving so quickly and there's so much going around. You might miss, you know, Bob at the end of the room when you're on the other end of the room, helping Sally out with something.

Uh, so in my small groups and my semi-private groups, it's a four to one and I can have a little bit better control, manage this scenario. It's still enough of a personal feel, personal environment where you can break things down, create an educational moment for three other people. One people, one person in that group needs coaching. That for me is, is fun. That works. You just stick them up in front and you're like, Hey, watch, watch Joe here. This moves like absolute crap. Let's just all fix him right now. Exactly. Like you move like shit. Everybody check this out. He moves like shit. And then we throw stuff at him. It's real fun.

That sounds good. I hope it's hard objects. Stone. Um, I find that actually too, um, cause I have people that come, they come to me that have, they have injuries of various different types and then they want to know if they can go back to their group classes, which I was telling the answer, like depends. They're like, well, can I do yoga? Well, it depends. You know, can I do strengthening, strength training? Yeah, it depends. You're going to do it right. You know, like, you know, like, do you have one-on-one, two-on-one, three-on-one types of attention? And if you don't, if you're not for sure about your form or I'm not sure about your form, then the answer is kind of no, you know, right. Um, I remember there, I only had one guy ever that came in. He was a, he had played college baseball and his strength conditioning coach was just hammering him for a long time on technique. And he showed me, uh, the stuff he was doing. I'm like, God, you're doing everything right. I can't clean up one thing here. It was amazing.

But that was the only time I've ever seen it. Yeah, that's, that's pretty cool. That's very fortunate. Uh, I mean, I always feel I have things to clean up with people and, uh, yeah, you know, that's interesting. They can move well. That's always great. But then I'm looking at, is there programming right right now? Is there nutrition supporting, uh, is there recovery supporting their work? Um, I, I like to think beyond. Beyond just the session or just that movement. Uh, for example, I have a number of golfers that are younger. They're in my age group, 30 to 35. Uh, they are scratch golfers. They're really good and they love CrossFit. Uh, so we do a lot of cleanup work when they come in so that they can go back to CrossFit and feel good and do their stuff. And they're working on their rotary skills as well as their general strength and conditioning.

But I find that I end up coaching them a lot on rest, recovery, cool down, uh, proper warmups, uh, you know, post pre, during, or post nutrition. Those are things that I think often get missed. And, uh, that's something I would like to try and change in the industry. If we can do a better job with that. Okay. So then explain that just to make sure, since our audience might not know exactly what all those parts are. And we went through a lot right there. Um, I mean, explain why warmups are even important. Gotcha. So, um, I, I like to educate on warmups. I put an article up on my website, uh, RoyCoreyFitness.com. Uh, and the article is called warmup before a workout. Um, I think warmups are really underutilized and they're probably one of the most important parts of a workout. Uh, we need to properly prepare the tissues of the body, which would be like your muscles, your tendons, your ligaments, your body.

But we also have to prepare mentally for the task at hand. So when I talk about a warmup, I like to start with general warmups and that might just be, Hey, you know what? We're going to get on a foam roll or we're going to get on a treadmill and we're going to just warm up the body temperature a little bit. Uh, and we're going to try and get some, some areas ready to do some work, whatever that work is going to be for that day. And I also like to go into some specific warmups, especially for my golfers or my post rehab sort of clients. We might need to bring specific attention to certain areas. Uh, for example, if I have somebody with a previous shoulder injury, I want to make sure all the tissues around the shoulder are good warm. Uh, we have adequate tissue mobility. We have adequate balance or stabilization of that joint before I want to load them either pressing full horizontally or pressing overhead.

Um, so yeah, warmups are very important and I think underutilized by people. And it's something we should put a little bit more focus and stress on in our workouts. How, how long does a typical warmup usually take? Uh, it depends on the person and depends on what's going on. A good warmup can be as short as five to seven minutes. Uh, a good warmup could be as long as 45 minutes. It really depends on what's in front of us. Um, sometimes people will see a workout that'll take people through for 45 minutes and I consider it warmup sort of stuff. We might be addressing mobility or balance or coordination. And that's the majority of the workout right there for that person. That's adequate for their level. Uh, whereas I might have some juniors come in that move relatively well. Uh, I just need to warm their body up, take them to take them through a few patterns and we're good to go lift or work on some strength, speed or power.

So the, the patterning, sorry, I'm digging deep on every, all the parts you say now. Um, yeah. So the patterning you say, um, what do you mean by patterning? Well, uh, the human body is, is pretty complex and we can move in multiple ranges of motion. Uh, I explain it to new clients like this. When I move through the world, I move forward, but I have to stabilize against the world laterally. And when I play in the world, I play in rotation. So if somebody has a problem moving forward, I need to check to see that they can laterally balance, for example, on their hips or their spine. Uh, if somebody is having a problem rotating, I need to make sure their ability to flex or extend their spine and their hips.

Um, so depending on each individual, depending on our assessments that we go through, I might have a warmup for somebody's spine. Uh, and I might take into consideration, they don't flex well or their flexion intolerance. So I might need to do something different for them than somebody that may have, uh, an extension intolerant motion. I might have to do different warmup for that person. Um, those are all things that are components of rotation. They need to be addressed. They need to be taught, mobilized, stabilized, coordinated, and then brought into function and strength. Yeah. Sounds, sounds good to me. The, uh, to just to digest and try to make it, uh, I'll compact it a little bit for everybody.

Does it sound like, and correct me if I'm wrong, uh, we live in a three dimensional world, so we need to be able to control ourselves in it. And gosh, what was the last thing you said, which is good there? Um, flexion, flex, or go ahead, go ahead. Yeah. Uh, that, that little cue or that little saying that I like to tell people, we move forward in the world. So majority of our movement is flexing and extending. Think about sitting and standing, uh, think about slouching and standing up straight. That's the majority of our movement in the world. Uh, I stabilize against the world laterally. So I need to be able to not lean to one side. I need to stand up straight, right?

I stabilize against the world laterally. And when I play, I play in rotation. Most athletic sports are rotary, like the golf swing, like running, like throwing. Like hitting a baseball. Um, we have to earn the right to play. And that's by having good lateral stability, good forward motion. Um, so you just, you just can't pick up a, can't pick up a ball and just do weekend warrior stuff. Then is that, would that be negligent? Uh, you know what you could, but that might come back and bite at some point. Um, now I believe that everybody should be able to, just get up and do something to a sub maximal level as you know, I shouldn't have to go through a 45 minute warmup to go hit a few golf balls, but I'm going to go play a round of golf. I'm going to play 18 holes.

It might be beneficial for me to spend 10, 15, 20 minutes doing a little bit of a warmup. Uh, just like, I think I should be able to go to boomers down the street and jump in the batting cage and have a little bit of fun on a weekend. But if I'm going for, you're obviously bunting probably though, all the day, you know me, but if I'm going to go into like some serious batting practice or something like that, I might want to warm up and actually get my tissues ready to do the best job I can versus just get out there and move a little bit. Yeah. I've always thought that like we, like a prolonged activity on the weekend, we definitely had to be semi in shape or, and be able to, and by in shape, I mean, your body has to move well and stabilize well and so on.

But if it comes to, you're walking across the street and all of a sudden a car is coming at you, you should be able to sprint out of the way, you know, like that is life. We need to be able to be, uh, able to take what is thrown at us, I guess. Exactly. Now, um, all this talk, I, all this talk that you're doing with these complicated terms and so on, um, are these all things that you would get from a general training certification? Uh, no. Are you, are you saying that I'm just saying a lot of words, Sebastian? Is that what I'm hearing? No, I, I know that like, actually, I don't know if I told you the, I probably the, the listeners will probably know that I did part of this podcast actually, because this, I remember this one guy came in the office and it was, it was a really, really easy term.

It actually happened probably twice, three times in my career. One time was he was in about five times or so. And I told him he was flexion intolerant. I'm like, let's not flex. Let's not flex. Um, and finally the fifth time he's like, he's like, so I got it. I know what you're talking about now. I'm like, what? And he's like, don't, don't round my back. I'm like, really? We really like we're miscommunicating here. And then I remember this one time years ago, I was doing this, uh, uh, presentation in a, in an office for, uh, reasons for numbness of a hand. And I think I said vascular at some point. And about 10 minutes later, someone raises their hand. They're like vascular. What does that mean? And I'm like, really?

Really? So your terminology, it's might be beyond what people use in real life. That's why. That's what I'm asking. Yeah. So you're saying, I'm saying a lot of words. Well, God, you say, yeah, I, I, I put this podcast last on the list cause I didn't want to hear your words really. Nice. Nice. That's funny. But, but really though, um, I know that there's, I don't know if people really understand the difference of education levels of trainers as well as there's multiple levels of chiropractors and doctors and so on. What is, why, why, why do you know so much? Why, why do you know so much as a trainer?

Man, uh, I, I don't think I've ever really had to deconstruct myself that way and think about it. Um, man, break it down. So, uh, I, it all started when I was five, uh, you know, I guess it all started back when I was in college. I went to school for kinesiology, which is the study of human movement. Uh, I was kind of specializing in biomechanics and at the time I was working in a physical therapy clinic and I spent about two years there. Uh, so I was dealing with a lot of athletes and a lot of post rehab sort of stuff, or actually I shouldn't say that rehab sort of stuff. And then I was taking them into post rehab sort of stuff.

Uh, from there, I got into training and I got to working at a club that's no longer in existence. Since it is now an equinox, um, but I was kind of the go-to guy when patients would, or clients would come in with injuries and they weren't quite needing physical therapy, but they weren't quite ready to work out. So I kind of got stuck with that population and I realized that's a huge population. Uh, most of my clients were between 35 to 60 years old, had some sort of an injury that they couldn't quite shake. And it pissed me off. I, I, I get frustrated when somebody constantly came in banged up.

So I had to take it upon myself beyond my certifications and start meeting and talking to medical people, uh, back before I was a TPI person. Um, I had to learn a little bit more. I had to understand maybe the stretch I was asking this person to do was actually hindering versus helping them. Uh, I had to make sure that I was able to screen and assess somebody's movement to understand this guy's back keeps going up because his hip is not unflexible, but his hip is, uh, you know, it's just not stable enough. Um, so I've just spent my last 15 years digging down the rabbit hole and going as deep down this thing as I can to be a little bit better for the next person that walks through the door with the thing that maybe a PT missed or, uh, maybe they didn't know that they had.

And I see it as a ticking time bomb for them. Yeah. You, you actually brought up a really good point. Um, I don't think I've ever talked about this in the podcast before, but there is a huge population of, um, criteria for PT is a lot of times pain. But, um, the way that you move and how it affects your life beyond, uh, let's just say normal, we call them ADLs or activities of daily living. Sometimes you get released from, from therapy because they're like, ah, you can sit, you can go to the bathroom, you can drive, you can wash dishes. Cool. You're done. But then really the person wanted to golf and that's a quick rotational move.

How could they possibly do that with a labral tear in the hip or like a back injury? And then they're in no man's land. They don't know what to do until they find someone like you, you know? Yeah. And that's, that's hard. It's, uh, I, you know, there's, there's a bunch of people like me that are out there. Uh, I'm, I'm sure, but I think from the medical to the fitness side, I wish there was better kind of return to play standards beyond just, uh, you know, like high school or college stuff. Like, I don't know, I don't, I don't know enough about that stuff, but I know that system is not working as well as it could.

So. Yeah. There's definitely, uh, oh, by the way, before I forget, come a little closer to the mic. You're, uh, you're starting to fade a little bit. I want to make sure everyone hears like the deepness of your voice too, just like mine. Um, is this better? Oh, that's so much better. Um, but yeah, like the, the medical profession is, I think it's a little bit broken. Um, and I know that, uh, it's, I don't know, I don't know if patients really see it this way because they, they really want their insurance to cover. And I, like, I completely understand and I hardly take any insurances anymore. Um, I'm considering taking hardly, like I'm, I'm going to probably take less as time goes on.

Cause the insurance payments come back so low and the, by low, I'm not even talking about like $50 or $30. I've seen checks cut for five cents before and it's an, and it's an embarrassment to this profession that spent a lot of their time, at least in, uh, you know, in grad school and all the loans and stuff like that. They, they, they spend less time is what ends up happening. And then they shuffle the people out. Right. So sad, sad reality. But if you want to pay to get some real stuff done, that's why I think, you know, the training world and, and learning movements like you guys do, or like good trainers do is really, really valuable.

Uh, well, yeah. Thank you for that. I, I hope I'm not coming off as throwing shade to medical at all. Uh, I really don't. I, I really admire some of the things that chiropractors do that physical therapists do with their soft tissue work and, and all that. Um, but yeah, I think the insurance system, I think that model is not helping as much as it can or as it should anymore. Unfortunately. Yeah. I'll back you up on that. Yeah. I know Roy well enough to where he's not bashing anybody right now. He's just saying, Hey, here's a system that could be improved. So, and I completely agree with that. Um, but so, uh, we'll finish up with a couple of things just because we're hitting around almost 30 minutes now.

Um, and is there anything, so if obviously these, the people are listening to this podcast might not be by you. Got you. Is there something that you can suggest to them, at least as like a life hack today that they can apply right now? Yeah. So one thing I talk a lot about is pay attention to your regeneration. Uh, what do I mean by that? Anytime I get a client that comes in after we do our evaluations and our assessments, I give them homework. Um, I believe we don't spend enough time recovering, um, when we get into fitness for the first time, or, uh, we're coming back to it after an injury. We go hard because we want to, we've missed it, or we have a weight loss goal to hit or performance that we're trying to go for.

Uh, but we need to understand that for all that work you put in, you also need to take the time to recover. Part of that regeneration work is passive. So am I getting enough sleep? Am I getting my eight hours or so of sleep? Uh, am I drinking enough water? Do I drink half of my body weight in ounces of water per day? Um, am I having enough recovery time between workouts? Um, maybe I should wait two days before a workout instead of working out every day. If I'm just getting back in, um, do I foam roll on a regular basis as not part of a workout? Just simple things like this. These are little life hacks that I think are needed, not talked about enough.

It's self-care. Uh, I really wish everybody came with an owner's manual to their own body, but I think it got stuck in mom's womb or something like that. But, uh, anyhow, I, I think it's important for people to pay attention to their, to their bodies, pay attention to their recovery. Uh, don't skip out on soft tissue work. Don't skip out on going to the chiropractor when something's out. Um, you know, take the time to hydrate, eat well, sleep well. Uh, it's very simple stuff, but I'm a big believer in the basics. Yeah. It seems like, and I know I've been caught in the mentality of, I feel like doing more is better, but sometimes not.

Um, so, uh, other question too is, do you do any, um, do you do any, do any online training or do you have any resources that the listeners could, um, access that you have available or? Yeah, uh, I do do some online training. Um, I have a number of clients that travel. Uh, most of my golfers travel during the season, so we have to learn to be diligent using like FaceTime. Uh, and then I also do utilize an app called Edify and I use that to communicate with all of my clients. So they'll get videos of their homework and they can send me videos of their movement or their golf swing or whatever it is.

So, uh, feel free if you'd like to reach out and you'd like an online assessment with me that is available. How do we reach you? I thought you were going to flow right into that. I didn't think I'd have to ask you. That's a great question. You can find all of my contact information on my website, which is RoyHoryFitness.com, R-O-Y-K-H-O-U-R-Y-Fitness.com. Um, you can find all of my contact info there. Cool. All right. Yeah. So I think that's all I have for you. I'm sure we'll have to do another podcast soon. Actually, we did one before, one before. It's been a little while. Yeah. That was that round table one, I think on college is in nutrition, but, um, I don't know if I told you, I might be editing and kind of deleting some of the old ones because I actually started doing numbering series because the audio was so bad back then.

I wanted to make sure that everyone doesn't turn it off just because audio sucks. Because it sounded terrible. Oh my God. Like I actually, I didn't, I don't know if I told you, like if you listen to some of the early ones that, um, I don't know if they'll still be up by the time people listen to this, but I was, I was driving back and forth to Irvine for, uh, one of the jobs I was working on. I did it in my car on my iPhone and it was terrible. Absolutely terrible. Brutal. Yeah. So cool. Uh, Roy, I will talk to you soon then. Thanks for coming on. Awesome, dude. My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

Yep. Thank you. All right, everyone. That's Roy Corey, um, from Roy Corey Fitness in Newport beach. If you want to contact him, he is a very, very good, honest guy and he knows his stuff well. Um, I know we didn't hit his Instagram. I think if you type in Roy Corey fitness, uh, or at Roy Corey, you will find him on Instagram. He's got some good stuff on there. Uh, lastly, if you guys have any questions for me again on further podcasts, don't be afraid to contact me on the P two sports care, uh, dot com website. Again, that's P the number two sports is plural care.com. And there is a little speak now button on the side, which you don't need anything for.

You just talk directly to your computer, kind of like Skype, uh, and that'll send it over to us. We'll pick the best one and hopefully I'll talk about it on air. And again, the whole goal of this is to be able to digest really. What is happening in the medical world with all this different terminology and so on that you might not understand when you're going to your appointment and you leave and you don't understand anything the dude said. So I want to break all that down for you here. So again, P two sports care.com. And I will talk to you guys soon.