Olivia Recovered From A Shoulder Labrum Repair65 Minutes - May 1, 2019
Olivia reached out to me on Instagram and said.... "Hey man, you should get some podcasts about some labrums of the shoulder."
She was right, I didn't have anything so I asked Olivia Petras from Canada to come on to give me her story of success following a traumatic shoulder labrum injury and surgery to follow.
Show notes that can be found in full on http://p2sportscare.com ... just search Olivia!
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:06:19 So welcome everyone Olivia Petras does it Petras? Yes. Yeah. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, definitely. Thank you. yeah, so you reached out and said that we need to talk about labrums and the shoulder and because of that I did that other one the other day, but, but I thought just hearing what, what your experience with labrum what you tried it, I think it\'s more powerful than actually like theoretically talking about labrum you know for sure. Yeah, definitely. So what\'s the deal with labrums?
Olivia Petras: 00:06:53 Yeah, they are an interesting, eh, it just, it\'s so like it always shoulders. it\'s just one of those things where it could be a million different things and all the tests are like super positive and so you think it\'s rotator cuff and blah, blah, blah. But so yeah, I would like the actual process of diagnosing the label chair. For me that was the most difficult part. Like it took a solid year to come to the actual diagnosis. Really? Surgery. Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:07:22 So overall, so it happened two years ago, the injury. So I had just started playing rugby, decided to pick it up the age of 25, probably not the best sport to pick up that age. And it was my second game and it was really enjoying it. Like it\'s just such a fun sport. I hadn\'t been shown how to tackle properly and so I went into the tackle with my arm kind of extended and her momentum kind of took me down and pushed posteriorly and it landed like right on it. And I never experienced any like injury like that. Like my arm just went completely dead. kept on playing cause brilliant.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:07:59 But well you got to tough it out. It\'s rugby. Come on.
Olivia Petras: 00:08:02 Exactly. Like, and it was only my second game. Right.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:08:05 Whoa, whoa. What was your guys, don\'t you have those things where like you\'re supposed to dance in front of each other before the game to scare them off? Like, I don\'t want to play.
Olivia Petras: 00:08:14 Yeah. I don\'t know if we have anything like that, but we should maybe come up with something.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:08:18 Yeah, I heard they do it in Australia and it\'s, it was like back in that where, right. So
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:08:23 In New Zealand\'s too. It\'s really big. There you go. That\'s it. You could totally do it. I was going to have you demonstrate that.
Olivia Petras: 00:08:29 Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh crap.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:08:32 Yeah. No one will see the video. It\'s just for me.
Olivia Petras: 00:08:36 Oh yeah. I have no luck. I don\'t know how to do it, but, so yeah, that\'s how the injury actually happened. And then, afterwards like, man, Oh man, the clicking, snapping like, you know, like that day and in the next two weeks was just really, really freaky. And I think what just working in my profession, like I hear a lot about just that mechanism of injury. And the first thing that came to mind was, oh my God, it\'s my labrum then, you know, I see like I work with doctors so I annoyed the crap out of my doctors. Just stuff, different physios and they all were saying well so early on and everything\'s so positive. It could be your rotator cuff, it could be your AC joint, could be like just a really good sprain. but just in the back of my head it\'s like, no, it\'s my labrum.
Olivia Petras: 00:09:21 I\'m like somebody just diagnose as this labrso yeah, I guess that was super frustrating part for me was just not getting that like clear diagnosis. So off the get go and I think a lot of people shoulder injuries, I feel like that\'s like a common occurrence.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:09:37 So I do. And actually I think you said a couple of things there. That number one, was the, was the diagnosis more important to you or was it just knowing that you were improving?
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:09:50 No, it was like the diagnosis because I wanted to know like am I going to be able to play again? Like what are we looking at recovery wise? Cause I was just having so much fun in this new sport. I found two games in that I\'m just busting, right. So I\'m like, let me go back in six weeks, like what\'s the deal?
Olivia Petras: 00:10:04 And so I did my absolute best with like, you know, the active like assistant, like getting the range of motion back, those boring exercises and they\'re like isometric stuff. We\'re really pushing against the law. I would just so frustrated with just the slow progress. and I didn\'t end up returning to rugby that year. and then yeah, I guess I got my arthrogram finally and it didn\'t really show much of anything, but she\'ll be like an effusion kind of thing. But it wasn\'t very specific in terms of the labrum. So I had built up all this like, you know, it\'s labrum this injury is going to be worth it, all this like, and then nothing showed up. So I actually lost my mind. I was just like all of that for like a sprain, you know what I mean? So, but then I kind of eventually it was like, okay well it was really good sprain.
Olivia Petras: 00:10:53 I\'m just going to have to keep on rehabbing it. So I did. I saw the surgeon who kind of like, I got all my strengths that the joint was feeling like really, really stable. and so he cleared me like to go back to rugby and I did the following kind of, I guess winter like in March and I blew it out again and it was just not as bad. But it was that like instability of it like coming out, slipping back in. Cause it never fully dislocated on me.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:11:20 It just kept on like subluxing you can feel it like Kinda slip around but it wouldn\'t completely go out.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:11:28 Never fully came out. Yeah. Which the surgeon actually ended up saying that would have been better because it was just hanging on by a thread and then we would have known to full dislocation that did you arrive lucked out with a little bank card?
Olivia Petras: 00:11:44 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Something small like that. Like a hatchet deformity. You get all that good stuff in there. Yeah, exactly. Quick fix and that\'s it. But, and I, I ended up like, do you like, I guess more damage to it. So I actually ended up having to, labral tears in my bicep was a little bit iffy too. So I had a slap type three and it was like going into the Bicep, which was the surgeon said, I haven\'t seen that in a long time and it was high as a kite after surgery. I was like, you\'re welcome. I can offer you something exciting. So that, and to bankart actually. So yeah, there was a couple of things going on, but actually when he said that to me, it was actually happy. I was like, oh my God, this injury was totally worth it. Like I was right. It was labrum from the get go.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:12:26 That\'s funny. There\'s a, I had a guy on before that he was a, he\'s a sonographer and so did you move, move on base. Right. and so he, he was, had this like saying that it, people come in to see him when they fell up this negative imaging and we\'d finally get their diagnosis or confirm it. It was, it\'s like, he\'s like, it never felt so good to, to know what\'s wrong, you know?
Olivia Petras: 00:12:48 Yeah, exactly. It\'s so crazy. It\'s like nothing\'s wrong. You just, you know, like, what the heck? Well then what is it like, you know, it\'s, yeah. And I feel like that\'s a problem with a lot of patients and just that I see will just ordering imaging for the sake of ordering it and then it comes back, you know, not that we can really do to change things. And then they\'re like, well, what is it? There\'s something there. You know what I mean? And then it\'s like a structural kind of thing.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:13:12 So did you have a second image or did you just like, at that point it\'s, I just had the one arthrogram, so we never really saw it in an image. You just saw it in surgery, right?
Olivia Petras: 00:13:24 Yeah, he took a second look at it and then he said, I guess maybe he\'ll do a little bit closer and whatnot. And then he\'s kind of peeking at it and he\'s like, oh maybe there is, hello, I\'ll slap there. But he didn\'t know the full extent of it until he went in. And I think I probably like, I don\'t know if I tore that. Like I did the slap at first and then the bankart or did the bankart and then the slap. But I think I definitely like injured at further when I went back.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:13:48 Yeah. I almost wonder like I\'ll, I\'ll probably, I\'ll ask a bunch of quick questions cause probably all the docs those senior like, so the first one I thought was when you first hit him, I thought Stinger cause of your depression.
Olivia Petras: 00:14:04 It went completely dead. But I definitely felt that like, you know, slip out and in.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:14:08 Okay. That point too. Okay. And did you ever have numbness into the hands at all or am
Olivia Petras: 00:14:16 no, like after that kind of Stinger kind of like incident? Yeah, it didn\'t last.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:14:20 Did you have it as, as time went on or not at all? No, nothing like that. Okay. Did all of our classic test that like, like your O\'Brien\'s and your a jerks test and I\'m guessing apprehension, relocation, were all positive. yeah. So all those other ones too in the beginning was your empty kin, your folk can, your, all that was all that was positive too. So it\'s just a big cluster of everything.
Olivia Petras: 00:14:48 Well, none of these are helpful, right. Everything\'s, and I think that\'s what it is was a lot of shoulder like acute shoulder injuries, right? Yeah. Like as opposed to like a knee kind of ACL and stuff. Those are a little bit more specific or,
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:15:01 yeah, I never personally really see, I don\'t see people like immediately after. So like, right, like sideline care to me is interesting because it\'s like there\'s so much going on that it\'s like, I\'m just going to wait this out, you know? Yeah,
Olivia Petras: 00:15:13 exactly. So, and the adrenaline\'s going and right. And how many, like what kind of tests can you actually do like that soon after too, right? Yeah,
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:15:25 yeah. When you breathe in, you\'re breathing, you\'re, you\'re, you\'re speaking to me. And okay. We just, we just keep you off the side a little bit, but then since you\'re an athlete, you get to make your choice and he\'d go back in when you want.
Olivia Petras: 00:15:34 Exactly. Right. So you can do about it. Yeah. Yeah. So of all the injuries you\'ve ever had what would the shoulder rank actually?
Olivia Petras: 00:15:45 Oh top for sure.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:15:47 That really never had anything like that. I herniated a disc like deadlifting couple of years ago. but in terms of like something that was like so immediate and sudden and I was like, oh my God, this is something kind of bad. I think that I\'ve ever had. And it\'s funny cause I grew up playing sports and I think it was a little bit of an attention seeker. So like play hockey and stuff like that. And it was a flop or weren\'t you? Oh yeah. I liked drew so many penalties and people on my team would get annoyed with me and I think it was just Karma.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:16:19 It\'s funny, you really, you really deserve this, this injury time out at this time?
Olivia Petras: 00:16:24 Funnily enough, I think it was the universe\'s way of telling me just to like chill out for like a hot second. I sit up like that summer like that, after that shoulder injury I ended up really spraining my ankle really bad. So then like I couldn\'t even like barely walk or run and I couldn\'t do him.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:16:41 How do you use crutches if you got to, if you go play labral tears? Yeah,
Olivia Petras: 00:16:45 it was really difficult. I mostly just booted it around. That\'s funny. Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:16:51 There\'s one time I so I was in my garage, I was brewing beer and I, and I dropped a glass carboy was like a five gallon jug of, there was beer and at the time and so it shattered and it just cut my ankle. And so I had it stitched up. Yeah. And I couldn\'t bear weight on it for various reasons for about a month. And so I did crutches. Yeah. And so I did crutches to the store and I\'ve never met so many friendly people my whole damn life. Like, yeah,
Olivia Petras: 00:17:14 everyone wants to help you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now I know why Hoodie, Hoodie. Yeah, totally. More often. Get more friends. Yeah, exactly. And I feel like hoodies, shirts had those really like that. So what was that? I said here in Canada, we\'re just naturally like good people.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:17:33 You\'re right. You have to be really, you have to be really decrepit here to get more friends.
Olivia Petras: 00:17:40 Right, right. And then you wrote a little bit better though, right?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:17:45 Yeah. I think everyone\'s really nice is, I think it\'s funny, I\'ve had people at like, they\'ve said all people around here or I thought actually people around here are not as friendly as they are other places. And then so, but when I go other places, I think I\'m more open to speak with them, like random strangers, you know? It\'s just probably me. but, but everyone hears is nice.
Olivia Petras: 00:18:04 Yeah. It\'s so good. Good vibes. When I was down there. Yeah. When did you come down here? Last October I went to San Francisco. Yeah, it was awesome. Oh, we\'re doing there? just traveling. I went to big Sur. Just kind of like exploring. Yeah. Nice. Like to cross the golden gate. That was probably the coolest thing I did. There was a, you had to pay a $10 toll? No. Oh, you mean? Yeah. Well I think it\'s one direction. Oh really? Maybe it\'s driving a car.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:18:35 I think it\'s to get back in the city, not to leave. Did you go north?
Olivia Petras: 00:18:40 Went from since Fran San to Sausalito.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:18:43 Yeah. I think that\'s free. I think the other ways pay or else you got to drive around. It\'s like a con.
Olivia Petras: 00:18:48 Oh, we took a ferry back. Oh, interesting. Good to know.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:18:54 Yeah. That\'s how they get you, you work in the city, you got to pay. Oh, wow.
Olivia Petras: 00:18:58 Is that every time? I think so. I, I\'m sure they have a pass or something. I never lived up there. Holy Geez, that\'s expensive. Yeah. Well parking in the cities even worse. So you drive driving the city is, I would only want to just, yeah, always awful. Yeah. We were like, we don\'t need a gps, we have maps. But like there\'s difference when you\'re walking and looking at a map and draw a map on your phone. Did you have a Thomas Guide? Love data, you know? Right. So we were just like, we\'re just going. Yeah, we didn\'t even use our phone at all.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:19:36 Oh wait, is this because you have Canadian data and you didn\'t have a s?
Olivia Petras: 00:19:40 Yeah, I forgot as a thing. Oh, we like lived off of Wifi and it was just, Oh, it was horrendous. Yeah. No, anytime I see a Hertz, which is what we rented the car from, I just have like, I just get like the shivers.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:19:52 Yeah. They probably gave you one of those novelty. What net maps to that had like all the icons larger that they wanted you to go and spend money out. Yep.
Olivia Petras: 00:19:59 Yeah. They totally have quite the collection of maps now, but I\'m a good frame them. Right. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. It\'s an awesome place. So where are you in California?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:20:10 I\'m in southern, southern southern. So be, I always say halfway between San Diego and La.
Olivia Petras: 00:20:16 If you had to pick like a mileage type of thing. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Clients down here. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So what are you doing for your labrum now? I am black. I had it so I had it operated on last July. so I guess it\'s been, yeah, I don\'t know how many months it\'s been now, but I\'m like, it was only in the sling for three weeks. you know, get all my range, got my strength back slowly and they got cleared to do like more explosive stuff. So like plyo kind of based, activities and then got back to rugby. It\'s feeling pretty good. I got it. I got to Steli brace on just to make sure. yes, stability wise, I haven\'t had any issue like with that kind of feeling of flex subluxation possibly or weakness. So I\'m hopeful, but I know there\'s always a risk, right? Once things are kind of glass is pretty risky.
Olivia Petras: 00:21:08 Yeah. And especially with a sport like rugby, it\'s just, it\'s so chaotic that you can try to put yourself in a safe position. But at the end of the day, if like, you know, 200 pound girl sits on you, then there\'s how much you can, when someone say running by you now are you, are you open to like grabbing them with that arm
Olivia Petras: 00:21:30 or, yes, I\'m nervous. Okay. I haven\'t, like, we haven\'t gotten into like full on tackling yet. so that\'s definitely something that\'s, I\'m a little bit hesitant to do, but with everything else is feeling strong, so I\'m sure it\'ll be okay just this time we\'ll make sure I do it properly because I think the issue is my arm was just so like outstretched, it just didn\'t take much to like push it back. Yeah. You like chicken wing yourself basically
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:21:53 or chicken, chicken legs, chicken legs probably better because they pop off.
Olivia Petras: 00:21:56 Yeah. Oh yeah. Whatever it was, it wasn\'t good. But yeah, no, it\'s feeling good now. Good. Good. Yeah, we\'re excited to get back to things, but also nervous because that was like two years of my life with like no real activity. Right. Like no sports. I bike a lot wasn\'t able to bike. It was just, yeah, it was pretty depressing as well. Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:22:19 You couldn\'t bike because of the possibility of falling off the bike or couldn\'t hold your hands?
Olivia Petras: 00:22:22 Yeah. And then I rode bikes so it\'s just that forward kind of lean was pretty uncomfortable. So yeah, I got back to it eventually, but then once I injured again couldn\'t do that. Couldn\'t run. That was pretty awful. I think injuries are kinda depressing, honestly. Sleep, it really, really is. Especially if you\'re an active person. Right. Cause it\'s such a big, important part of your life. Kind of gone, you know.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:22:48 [inaudible] it\'s, I always think that, I mean, I, so I wrote this book on back pain originally, right. And a right. The beginning part was, it\'s like I started to realize that as I had my back injury that a lot of people go through this, mental aspect thing. And, and I, I dunno what to be with shoulder, but I would imagine it\'d be the same kind of stuff. Yeah. It\'s like I can\'t do that. What the hell can I do? And it\'s hard to see what you could do.
Olivia Petras: 00:23:17 I think it\'s kind of like them, Elizabeth Kubler, you know, the five stages of grief. Oh right. Yeah. It\'s anger first. oh man, I can\'t remember them all. I, I wrote about it though. Like, so I write and I wrote about this and just like, you know, an injury kind of perspective and I forgot what it is, but there\'s, there\'s anger, there\'s bargaining, there\'s acceptance is the last one obviously, but you can like flip and flop between
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:23:46 these five stages too. Right. So, but yeah, that\'s it. It definitely is. I\'m an adventure, that\'s for sure.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:23:54 Where do most people sent tend to hang them? Like I\'m guessing that they is, is, I guess at the end of that is it\'s recovery or acceptance probably of the situation. But it doesn\'t mean you, you actually fix a problem. Is it? It\'s just an acceptance.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:24:11 We\'ll never get there either. You know what I mean? I think honestly it\'s a lot of the time is just like the bargaining kind of aspect of it and the kind of anger, disappointment, frustration is huge, right? But you\'re like, okay, I can\'t do this. Like for example, with a physiotherapist or a chiropractor, it\'s just like, hey, I can\'t do this, but what can I do? Like there has to be something, you know what I mean? It\'s just kind of like that back and back and forth, especially with someone who was like an active individual, you know? So I know for me that\'s kind of where I hung up.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:24:42 Yeah. Yeah. Probably challenge you to really, to find a new hobby or a new sport. Totally did well. Like you\'re, you know, you\'re active and you need that kind of, what are you going to even just walk like it\'s so intense and then you go down to like something like, you know, walking or it\'s just not the same.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:25:03 I would imagine probably the sport that you could have picked is, is you get, you know, like those little boats that you just go like this with your feet to the pedal paddle boat. Yeah. Just paddle boats. Like you don\'t use your arms, but it\'s like a race. You guys just go, you\'re like a little duck or you can put yourself in a little floaty, like a little inner tube and then have waiters and kick and troll for fish. You know, cause you don\'t have, maybe you can\'t use the arm. Well that\'s good to know. I\'ll write this down in case this happens again, this is probably the rest of this. This podcast should just be all the things that people with labral tears could do while they\'re waiting to recover it.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:25:48 Go ahead and give him people just those, those, suggestions, right?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:25:52 Yeah, that is half the battle I guess. so when, I, I tend to hear a lot of, lot of, maybe this is old, this is old stuff, but I heard it a lot in the past. Is that after you have a certain thing done to the shoulder, you shouldn\'t lift overhead anymore or you shouldn\'t do x, y, and z anymore. You shouldn\'t lift 10 pounds at all. do you get any of those or you hear about any of those or is that a archaic thing?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:26:18 Not for myself. I think the one thing for me was just being like in that position of like external rotation. that\'s the position kind of that you\'re at risk for. More like kind of dislocations for. So the thing that took me the longest to get back to is just like a back squat for example. So just being in that position for an extended period of time and then loading it. But yeah, I know in terms of like lifting above head and stuff like that, I haven\'t really been told not to do anything now anyway before I\'m still, you\'re stuck doing Codman exercises all day.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:26:54 That was the most depressing thing, you know what I mean? To go from lifting and playing an aggressive sport to like just like holding your fist against a wall for five seconds. So did, did you program for yourself then when you went to that or do you have someone else do for you? A little bit of both. Like I work with like sports med doctors and physiotherapists and stuff. So I really just had the kind of, the surgeon was kind of like, you know what to do, like go do it. Which, you know, at a certain point when like when I started. So once I finished like the kind of range of motion stuff and it was getting into strengthening, he basically didn\'t tell me like what not to do. So I was kind of like, okay, I guess I can do everything and push it a little bit to start. But so I needed somebody to kind of reel me back in.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:27:35 Well, you sound like you had a good, a good mental attitude about it. Like your, you were just pressing the envelope in a safe way it sounds like.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:27:42 Yeah, I think so. Like, in terms of like the Rehab, the Rehab post-op, like I definitely do it in like, I didn\'t risk anything too major, but, yeah, so mentally I was like pretty excited to get back to everything. Even just when I got back to running, I was so excited to get back to running even, you know what I mean? So, and then everything just came pretty quickly after that. but yeah, I just thought it was like, you know, shoulder blade kind of posture exercises. It just, things like that were kind of annoying you like four times a week. But, when I, when I did make a concerted effort to do that, like pretty steady because I didn\'t for a while, like they kind of said I could go back to doing everything and I went in and did like doing burpees and deadlifting and stuff like that and forgot about the kind of postural aspect of it.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:28:27 So I of like go take a couple steps back and kind of get that burst. But it made a huge difference just in like, you know, even just like nighttime pain for example. And just that ache, like, you know, that dull ache I had for a long time after the surgery, which not really there anymore. It\'s mostly just when I\'m like, you know, practicing like tackling, we\'re not full on practicing like tackling that with like other humans but like just with bags and stuff like that. Just that kind of impact or were just makes it a little bit sore. But that\'s really the only thing.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:28:57 Is there, is there any, when you\'re, when you\'re impacting the bag then, is there a, is there a strategy to reduce the amount of achy get after or is that just a kind of like a great effect thing or,
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:29:10 I think so. Yeah. I haven\'t really, I mean I haven\'t done, I haven\'t practice too much, the tackling kind of aspect of it, but I don\'t think it\'s like a certain position you go in. I think it\'s just that, you know, repetition just over time is going to make it sore.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:29:25 She couldn\'t ride the bench for like 25% of the game and you\'re only going to tackle when it really is dire need.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:29:32 Exactly. I just let them go by if I\'m not in the proper position, I\'m just like gone.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:29:42 the proper tackling position. You can\'t do that.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:29:44 No, definitely not. Like a 300 pound girl running at you and you\'re like, nope, I\'m out. Funny. How big do they get in that sport? They get 300 pounds. So it\'s all dependent on the position you play. Right. So there was girls that are like a solid like 220. Holy Shit. You 20 to 30 out there. Yeah. And then you have girls that are like five foot nothing. Like they\'re the back. So there was a really fast players and they\'re like, I don\'t know, like a 100-110 pounds. Then you have that going against. It\'s crazy.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:30:17 So I imagine in football it\'s like as as other than like a running back, like as a small person, you really won\'t encounter one of those big people unless you were at the wrong place at the wrong time is, yeah. Is it like that and rob you too? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay. I\'d ever played. Nor do I watch. Yeah. Is it a big, is it big in California at all? I mean I never drive along the freeway and look and see people playing rugby know, like it, I wouldn\'t even know where to start looking. Honestly.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:30:47 I wonder, cause I know it\'s, I don\'t even know how big it is in the states. It\'s pretty big here in Canada. but like I know you guys have like a good national team as you do with most things.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:30:56 Yeah. But I mean I think we hav, so one of my friends worked with the men\'s field hockey team. Yeah. Right. USA Men\'s field hockey team. And I don\'t see, other than, than going there with him, I don\'t see any men\'s field hockey anywhere, you know? I know we got teams. Yeah,
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:31:12 exactly. So it must just be like a couple of certain states, you know what I mean? And it\'s like pretty popular.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:31:17 Yeah. I\'ve seen Lacrosse pop up around here and he would have happened to Jai alai, Jai alai still thing. What\'s that highlight? What is that? I\'m going to pull up. Highlight, feared about it. Yeah. Jai alai. Gosh, Jai alai. Yeah, it\'s looks like a j Jai Lai game.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:31:40 Okay, so I\'m going to pull this thing up. Oh No, this is not even, okay. This is a prison video game apparently. Well they got to stay active too. You know, there there is. Okay. I\'m going to find here. I got, I got it. I got it. Okay. I\'m going to, I\'m going to share this to you. So they had this like little net thingy that they use. Damn. I\'m really not good at zoom right now. Let me see if I can share my screen. Okay, so we\'re going to go through an a. So this is highly, see this got this little like, it\'s like a skee ball.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:32:14 What\'s that? Like cricket or something? I don\'t even know. Well it\'s like, so it looks like they\'re playing racket ball over here, but they have like a big long like bag lady nail, like a one single one in their hand and it\'s like a throw from it and catch from it. Weird. I\'d be, I\'ve never seen that in my entire life. I bet. Now I\'m going to look up the USA national. look, we probably have a s. Oh no, that\'s soccer. Now we\'re good. See, we might have a USA national Jai alai team, but I don\'t see any highlighting where\'s my point? Yeah. No, I haven\'t either. That\'s very, it looks like an old timey kind of thing. Well, is it just because of the colors in the picture? Just like really retro. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. There\'s different things out there. Different strokes for different folks.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:33:05 It, yeah. I think I\'m gonna play highlight one day. You, you\'re going to start in California. Yeah, I get to see it. There\'s turf wars between the handball or is the racket ballers and the Jai alai-ers all probably the same public park that I imagine they have big Deb big nails. They have like Freddy Krueger hands. Like they will win the Jai alai will win. That\'s true. That\'s a team you want to be on team Jai alai. Yes. So tell me about yourself. What\'s a, I don\'t know much about you other than the fact that you have a labral tear. So tell me everything else. Cause by the way, everyone, she reached out on Instagram and so we\'re just talking for the first time right now.
Olivia Petras: 00:33:47 Instagram is awesome. so yeah, I, so here in Canada, I guess Nova Scotia, east coast, I work as like a physician assistant, like a sports medicine clinic and I personal train part time. and I really enjoy like for me activity, just anything outdoors like hiking, camping road by biking. and I played hockey all my life as we do here in Canada. And then when I moved down here, so I\'m from Ontario, like the Toronto area originally, and then it moved down here to Nova Scotia. I really like, I didn\'t know anybody, so I was like, how I\'ve met people all my life with sport. and with rugby it\'s just, it\'s such a big, like social, kind of like a community. Like, you know, you\'ll play the most vicious game with another team and people are bleeding and needed stitches and things like that. And then, you know, you go out right after the game and like get beers together. It\'s just that kind of like comradery and stuff. So it\'s very interesting that way. So, I fell in love with it and just like playing it, it\'s just the most adrenaline than I\'ve ever had. Like plenty of sports and it\'s just absolutely insane.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:34:49 So, so you waited 25 years to find this passion. What the hell did you do also rest of your life? I want to do
Olivia Petras: 00:34:57 in high school and my parents like would not let me. So with good reason obviously, but I think if I had played in high school, I probably would have known how to tackle. So I blame it on them.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:35:07 But you\'re there, it is the steps, the step to a giving.... what is it? What is it when you go apologize to people that wronged you? Yeah. I don\'t know. I think we\'re, I think we\'re on the seven steps of the Aa now. I forget the one from like the stages of grief to just something completely different. Probably all the same thing. It\'s just repackaging stuff. Just like all these other different, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Olivia Petras: 00:35:35 Yeah. But that\'s a little bit about me. I so,
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:35:38 okay. What, would you rather talk about a rugby or sports or sports medicine? Oh, good question. Maybe a sport medicine aspect of it. Do you want to talk about sports medicine aspect of rugby or sportsmen and aspect of you? Yeah, maybe just, yeah, in general, I guess. Yeah. Okay. What about you? What do you want to talk about? I don\'t know. I\'m just a bullshitter. I just go wherever it takes me. Like the only thing hindering me it is knowing that we were, were supposed to be talking about shoulders and labrums and that\'s the only thing that, that reels me back with any type of agenda in this conversation. Yeah, that\'s true. Yeah. how, what else can we talk about labrums? Well, I think, you don\'t hear, well, here\'s the thing. Maybe like, I don\'t know about you, but I tend to find that when I have an injury, I ended up having a lot of patients with that same damn injury. are you working with labrum people a bunch now or is it,
Olivia Petras: 00:36:35 yeah, you do see them and it\'s like every time it\'s like that kind of mechanism that I kind of mentioned, you know, like the arm extended falling backwards kind of thing. I\'m just like, instantly I\'m just shit, this guy\'s probably like a torn labrums. and I think, don\'t, you know what, I haven\'t seen a whole lot of like the generative, like labrums in our practice. I don\'t know, like for whatever reason. but like, it\'s not the most, you know, common injury that we do see. I would say like for shoulder, it\'s, it\'s a little, it\'s quite rare, but whenever it is something we do see, I\'m like, okay, it\'s nice. I don\'t know what it feel like. It\'s pretty like, just the mechanism of injury is like pretty classic.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:37:15 Just some type of a trauma, external rotation, FOOSH type of thing.
Olivia Petras: 00:37:19 Yeah. Hello. What you\'ve kind of experienced that way, but that\'s usually when it is like an acute labral tear. Like that\'s how it kind of happened.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:37:26 Yeah, I usually don\'t see it. Like, I don\'t, like I said, I don\'t really see many acute. I, I do hear the FOOSHes. but, usually I\'ll have like a pitcher, throw thrower come in, and then they have signs of labral tear. But it\'s like,
Olivia Petras: 00:37:39 and I guess that would be more like kind of over use or wear and tear. Right?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:37:42 Yeah. But I, I like, I tend to, and this is why I asked him again, he\'s like, so I\'ll, I\'ll figure out what I think it is, but at the same time, like I\'ll see, I see what\'s improving them and the get getting back into full function. So like, yeah. I\'m like, well, it was maybe a grade one, you know, and I don\'t think I want to fuss with the image yet because I just kind of hold it in the holster just in case, you know? Yeah. But I don\'t know if I, I honestly don\'t know if I see him a lot. they just Kinda, they just, they might be there and I don\'t know what type of, we, if you had to pick four for yourself to have a shoulder injury, yeah. Would you rather have a labral tear? Non Surgical Labral till labral tear, surgical category, a rotator cuff? rotator cuff tendinitis. How fresh one. A, I dunno. A calcific tendinosis.
Olivia Petras: 00:38:42 Yeah. Yeah. No, no, definitely not. That would be like my least. Yeah, that would be like
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:38:48 my bottom pay. No, I think that\'d be my bottom pick too. Right.
Olivia Petras: 00:38:53 No matter what you do, it\'s always there in the background. Like it\'s just, it\'s brutal. Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:38:59 Those ones are just, do they still, like I had only like one come in and I saw an ultrasound that of it and it was calcific tendinosis. Yup. And I thought, I\'m like, do they really go in and low lodge these things? They, they\'re just like the stem of and break them up or suck them out or how do you get that out of the tendon? You,
Olivia Petras: 00:39:16 I don\'t know. It\'s not really surgical here anyway. usually it\'s just like we manage it with like a cortisone, cortisone injection. Right? Yeah. well, yeah, in terms of going in and I guess if it\'s like, if there\'s like kind of a frozen shoulder along with it, sometimes they\'ll just like yank it out, you know what I mean? Kind of like really aggressively who we should talk about. We should put frozen shoulder on that list. Yeah, you definitely should. In terms of shoulder stuff and like, yeah, tendinopathy, like that is what we see the most of a frozen shoulder, frozen shoulder and the rotator cuff tendinopathies as well. Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:39:56 So what do you think about the concept of it being idiopathic?
Olivia Petras: 00:40:01 Like, is there like frozen shoulder, like at least based upon Doctor Google or at least what we learned in school was, it\'s like, it just comes with no rhyme or reason.
Olivia Petras: 00:40:10 Yeah. Any, any thoughts on that or no rhyme or reason often too, right. Well, what\'s that? And it often goes with note with like, just randomly.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:40:18 Yeah. The thought, the thawing period or whatever.
Olivia Petras: 00:40:21 Yeah. Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:40:23 I Dunno, I\'ve, I\'ve, I was thinking about it that I would imagine there was a lot of things we probably had considered as idiopathic, but we just didn\'t know what the hell caused it. So we just categorize it as there is no cause, right?
Olivia Petras: 00:40:36 Yeah, exactly. It must be frozen shoulder. Yeah. Okay.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:40:40 I don\'t see how it can just come and go. Kind of like someone who lived on your couch for three months, you know?
Olivia Petras: 00:40:46 Right. I don\'t know. It\'s got to be related to some type of calcification you would imagine. You think so? Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:40:53 Like what is the, like what does it try and like what is it? What\'s the adaptation that created
Olivia Petras: 00:40:59 that? Yeah. Right. Just all of a sudden you can\'t like lift it past like 10 degrees. Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:41:05 I mean I would think just not doing house chores could be one
Olivia Petras: 00:41:08 reason. Right? Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:41:11 Today I have calcific or a frozen shoulder.
Olivia Petras: 00:41:15 Yeah. Can\'t take out the garbage because of the frozen shoulder. Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:41:20 I think I would personally not want to have the calcific over the frozen shoulder though.
Olivia Petras: 00:41:25 You wouldn\'t know.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:41:27 Yeah, I don\'t, I don\'t want the calcium and anyway, shape or fashion.
Olivia Petras: 00:41:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, me neither. Yeah. You know what? I think if I to choose from all of those, it would probably want to take what I had to be a surgical labral tear. Okay.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:41:41 So do, so do you think after the for the first time, do you think you were surgical the first time or is it a second ago? The thing that created?
Olivia Petras: 00:41:48 I think it was the second, like, I think I definitely liked sublux that it was definitely like unstable, but I did so good in strengthening it back up. And when I went to see the surgeon, you know, he was like, you\'re full function, your full strength. It\'s not like when he did all the tests, it was, it wasn\'t unstable at all. So I think we made the right call and going like non-surgically but there must\'ve just been an underlying, it could, couldn\'t handle the stress of the tackles and the rugby. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was really the second time, although like I didn\'t get, I got a little bit of that kind of dead arm kind of feeling again and I definitely felt it coming back out, but it wasn\'t nearly as painful and like that second time or like I didn\'t have like such the loss and range of motion and that and all the clicking and snapping sensations. But just, I mean, you know, looking at the arthrogram, even after the first one, nothing really showed up so it wasn\'t very clear. Right, right.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:42:41 Well, what did everything else in the athrogram looked like? Everything was good on that too. Like all the other, all the other stuff.
Olivia Petras: 00:42:46 Okay. Rotator cuff was good when I like a little labral hole kind of thing like, but that\'s about it. So what the hell\'s wrong with you?
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:42:54 Nothing was except mentally I just lost my mind because I was just like, Oh man, it was bad. It\'s like, there\'s nothing wrong with me. I just wasted like five months of my life, like doing nothing. And there\'s nothing wrong with my shoulder.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:43:06 That\'s so funny. There was a, I just had a friend come in town and, I was, I was examining her for a back thing and so she, she couldn\'t figure out rhyme or reason, what the hell was it creating it. And so, I actually, I videotape this and then surprisingly at the very end when I finally found something like the video shot, halfway in into it, but I was going through all the stuff and I couldn\'t find anything until I get to like some SI joint stuff really some stress tests and really, which I typically don\'t do a lot of people cause usually I find something before then. but then, probably about like 20, 30 minutes into it and I was trying to take my time and find stuff. She\'s like, is this so this is in my head, my head, you know?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:43:45 Right. I\'m like, no, I don\'t think so. But at the same time, I feel like I needed, I can\'t find anything. Like you would think if, if you could dislocate a shoulder in the dislocating mechanism is what creates a symptom. You try to dislocate it slowly, you know the trigger, you know? Right. but I finally found it in the side. You went there. I was really happy myself. There we go. We created this really intimate moment where I was just like cradling her leg and she was in the video. I\'m like, we\'re just kind of face to face only. And so we did some dynamic testing after that and I was like, put your, put your hands on my shoulder, you know? And that\'s the part we lost. It was too bad. It was really good.
Olivia Petras: 00:44:23 That\'s awesome.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:44:25 Hmm. Yeah, I\'ll, I\'ll, I\'ll have to release that one at some point here.
Olivia Petras: 00:44:29 Yes. And you\'d like do videos and things
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:44:32 like that too.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:44:33 Well, so I just started and it\'s funny, I think the whole damn thing is jinxed actually because yeah, the, the one prior to it I did a, I thought about all the people that I, I have not really succeeded on their case in the past. And I learned a couple of new things. I\'m like, oh, I can, I want to try it again. Right. And so, so I\'m like, just come in and you see me once, like just, just let me play with this and let me video and that\'s it. Yeah. And so, my goal was originally that, that, so I saw that on, on, if you go on youtube and you look up chiropractor. Yeah. And so there\'s a, there\'s a handful of guys that they have like 1.5 million views, 8.9 million views. And it\'s like, it\'s basically like just some guy doing like a, hey, how\'s it, how\'s this, how\'s it feel?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:45:19 And he\'s like, and they\'re, the patient tells the history. And then, he goes through and he does his little assessment and stuff that he does some adjustments. And then he says, how\'s that feel? And she\'s like, oh, it feels so much better. And, and so what my interpretation was, and I was watching these for a while and my girlfriend\'s like, what are you watching? Like, cause it\'s not typical stuff. I\'d watch him like, I\'m trying to figure out why people like this video and I\'m not trying to bash the guy or his methods. It was just something, it\'s extremely personable about this video that people really like it. And here\'s my thought was that perhaps our profession chiropractic people think that it\'s, one of our stereotypes. It is, is it as scary in that you\'re going to get your bones cracked?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:46:01 Right? Totally. Yeah. And so through that video, the guy basically just kind of made it so you didn\'t, you didn\'t feel afraid. Right. And so by revealing what he was doing, and so with these people I\'ve tried to, I\'ve tried to unveil the curtain of an exam and then see that they can feel better with a, like a corrective exercise strategy or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. But the one guy, he had an elbow, he had looked like a \"lateral epicondylitis\" or Golfer\'s elbow or sorry, tennis elbow. and so he had a bat in his hand and so he was twisting the bat back and forth and he\'s like, yeah, I feel just like that. And he\'s had it for I think years at that point. And so I just held his shoulder blade up cause I pick up against his rib cage and just kind of packing his shoulder blade on. Right. And his symptoms went away and he\'s like, what the hell?
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:46:51 Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:46:52 And so it was, it was the thought was we were looking at something neurological. so anyways, I had that on video and the damn audio went off, but it was a great interaction. Right. Yeah. But that\'s what I\'m trying to do on the video. So, but I changed the perception may be that people have like of. Well, I mean just in terms of like the, you know, cause people do think like, Kira, I know here, like they\'re going to snap everything. Right. But yeah, there\'s folks like you and I mean you\'ve been here that are more like, you know, went to the, like a lot of the exercise and the corrective stuff that way.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:47:26 Yeah. Well, I mean I\'m, I\'m okay with, I mean like obviously I practice the way I practice and I have a place where, yeah. And, but then I think, I think what happens in our profession is that when people, like when people come and see me, like they probably like the, or the, whoever they come and see is, is, is if they get something that they don\'t expect, they\'re shocked. And so with, if they come in to see me, I might not adjust them all the time, I might correct. or it might suggest like a loading strategy or something like that, a movement based correction. And then maybe I do tissue work and stuff way on down the line. But when they come in because the people call it, they\'re like, hey, how much for a quick adjustment. I\'m like, well, we don\'t, you know, so they\'re turned off, but the vice versa.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:48:12 The other thing, and so I think my thought with the videos is, is just to build the awareness that that\'s not all it\'s going to happen. But here\'s another thing that could happen. And it\'s not extremely scary either. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Off do a, it\'s basically me audio dictating the guy\'s reaction, which is, I\'m like, this, this video is too good to dump, so I need to, to, to over voice the thing that actually could be quite entertaining. Yeah. I should have done it. Kind of like Randall when he did that. A honey badger.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:48:47 Yeah. You totally, I do that now. That\'s going to be, that\'s going to have, I could Jillian hits for sure.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:48:53 This is the honey badger.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:48:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You\'re, you\'re right. There\'s there\'s, I don\'t know if you\'ve gone to, you\'ve gone onto youtube and watch the Tai Lopez videos. Have you run across those yet? Oh, there was a, was a whole huge tangent topic. So there\'s a guy on there, I dunno where he, where I interacted with his stuff first, but then he\'s basically, he\'s like a, sell stuff online kind of guy. Right. And so he has all these videos he puts up on youtube. And so one of them in particular, I think he spent like a, like $1 million promoting it. So it was popping up everywhere. Right. And so it was called in my garage. And so he\'s in his garage and he\'s basically talking to him. He shows us like Lamborghini and he\'s like, oh, this is my Lambeau and I\'m not proud of, I\'m not really proud of that, but I\'m proud of these. I\'m proud of my books. So he shows his bookshelf. Right. And so for a while I guess that he, he asks people to do parody videos of it and he gave away like a car to the best one. Yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:50:01 Parody videos. But this guy like, like you watch them and it\'s like, dude, what\'s this guy talking about it? So we\'ll tell all these stories. Right. And he\'s, and he\'s like, well, this one time I was having lunch with Arnold Schwarzenegger and you\'re like, yeah, whatever. And so like each girl on Youtube and it looks, and it\'s him. Then the next videos, him eating lunches, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the next ones where he\'s like, where I was hanging out with Drew Carey and you\'re like, oh, shut up. And you\'re like, oh my God.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:50:22 He was with Drew Carey too! Who is this guy? So it\'s like an endless thing. So yeah, you can look up ty Lopez, Tai Lopez. Yes. I will get stuck in the Tai Lopez endless video flow. Yeah. Yeah. You keep digging deeper and the Tai Lopez hole definitely. Yeah, I\'ll check that out. Yeah. So, how\'d you get into sports medicine?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:50:50 well I had a, so I have like a kinesiology degree and I was working in just like at a physiotherapy clinic. and I liked like the clinical aspect of things. I just didn\'t like that. Like my job was like so stagnant and so like it was the same thing every single day, you know what I mean? Giving people the same exercises and yeah. So it was just, it bores me half to death. And then I also like personal trained in the past, but that\'s not something I wanted to do, like full, full time. The schedule is kind of like all over the place and stuff, right? Yeah, it\'d be out a good gym. So, yeah, I was always interested in, I wanted to go back to school, but I didn\'t, I wanted to find something where I can keep on learning. what I got just, I got really lucky with this job.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:51:33 It was just a random thing that I found online. I was like, well I might as well apply. I ended up beating out like a couple nurses like and things of that nature. So I think they were looking for more like somebody would be exercise kind of background. Cause it\'s definitely like a big part of like what I do. And you know, somebody who doesn\'t have coverage can\'t afford physio or chiro. I\'ll just kind of give them suggestions on like exercises and things like that to do. So I think that\'s why they brought me on. So it\'s nice I\'m able to kind of marry a little bit of both, like the clinical aspect and keeping on learning. Like, you know, they treat me like a resident like half the time. So that\'s awesome. And then the exercise kind of portion of it is great too. So yeah.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:52:13 Well you sound, you sound very convincing in your speaking. I bet your presentation and it was probably just the confidence you had going in answering the questions.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:52:23 It was, yeah, it was, I, I think I did pretty good. Obviously I\'ve had been at this job for two years, but yeah, no, it\'s, it\'s been great. Like I\'m definitely lucky with it cause here in Canada, like kinesiology is such a popular degree. You, so many people have it, but like it just a four year undergrad right now in this country. I don\'t know what it\'s like in the states, but everybody has one, you know what I mean? You need that extra like physio or that extra master\'s degree or whatever it is.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:52:51 Yeah, I know, I know a lot of them were impacted here, but I I know, I feel like every person here, if he ask around, I bet generally if you went through 20 people, you\'d probably see about four people find people who said they want to be a nurse. Really? Everyone wants. Yeah. Like all the people that I\'ve had work here anyways, like I think, of the, of the four, I think there was three people that wanted to be nurses. I think two went on to to actually do it. Right. so yeah. I dunno what everyone wants to be a nurse. The thing is it\'s like people say, oh, there\'s always a job for a nurse. It\'s always in demand, but not everyone hires a nurse either. You beat two nurses. Yeah. Yup.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:53:35 I sure did. But, yeah, no, it\'s funny that way. So anyway, but I got really lucky with it. Just, yeah. I\'m super happy with it.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:53:44 Yeah, I\'m good. Yeah, definitely. Well, as we see is we start to wrap up. What, what do we need to know lastly about labrums that you haven\'t told us already about your experience with labrums? Yeah. Pause here to say, not the pause. Right. It\'s, it\'s, it\'s dramatic. It\'s just dramatic is all.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:54:08 Yeah. Yeah. It\'s very dramatic.
Speaker 5: 00:54:13 ah, man.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:54:16 Do you think you can, can everyone to recover from a labral repair or is that just a ...
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:54:21 I think so. What do you mean what do you need from me? And it\'s just like, you know, like if I didn\'t play rugby or wasn\'t so like active, I probably could have gone forth like with the and no operation, you know what I mean? Cause I did have it rehabbed and I was cleared to kind of go back to things, but I went back to something that\'s really very like violence. You know, if I had gone back to like even just hockey for example, I probably would have been fine not having surgery. So I mean I guess like a lot of people even with that like traumatic kind of like subluxation and obviously just location and there might be like a small little slap tear in there. But you can, I guess like with the right physio and the rate kind of like Rehab strategy, you can rehab it properly without surgery. It\'s just a matter of like, what do you want to get back to you?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:55:12 What, I don\'t think I asked this, but just so everyone knows how many days a week were you were you doing stuff for your recovery?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:55:20 Oh, like every day. Like five, six times a week. Yeah. Initially. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like just getting back the range of motion and, you know, all those silly little strengthening exercises. Yeah. I took it pretty seriously.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:55:31 Okay. Good. Yeah, I think, that\'d be a huge, huge difference obviously. Yeah. I\'m sure it\'s, it\'s, yeah, I think when I was, when I was recovering from the back thing. I did stuff every day. Oh, it was nothing major actually. It was just a, it was funny. It was, there was, so back in high school I had, I had a small disc herniation. it was from, it was an impact on a base. So it was a, it was a single traumatic incident. Gotcha. and then I was like 20 years. It was fine. And, and, so just recently, about a year or so ago, I was, I was deadlifting and it was kind of one of those moments you\'re like, hmm, that doesn\'t feel right. You know? Yeah. You start to get all these creepy crawlies and your legs and stuff like that. And so it wasn\'t that big like considering like what I see people with now, it\'s like, right. It\'s like, dude, like you have searing leg pain. Like I was lucky. Yeah, no, for sure. But I, but I think considering like what like I know what it could have been or what could happen and so I, I took it very seriously.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:56:34 Yes. Yeah, definitely being like in the profession we are, I think, you know, when there is something of that nature, we would make sure we do our due diligence and we preached to our patients, right? Your practice, how you preach. Preach what you practice. I\'m not sure which way it goes. Yeah. But in terms, sometimes we get stubborn too and we\'re like, well, we can push through. When you push your most things, sometimes we do too much.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:57:03 Well I thought, I, I thought, I don\'t know how it is in Canada, but I thought and us the most common reason why a chiropractors retires cause they hurt themselves. I thought, Oh and back in the day they used to have these primo like disability plans for chiropractors. Like you hurt yourself and you\'ll get your salary for a very long time. Right. And now they\'re like, like you pay like five, six grand a year and you only get like five years of coverage because I think it was not profitable for the insurance company enough or they were just paying out too much.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:00:57:34 So interesting. Yeah. Word in the street. Word on the street. Yeah, it would, it would have paid really well if you were about 20 years older and you hurt yourself as a chiropractor. Yeah. Hey, you missed the boat on that one. I know I did miss the boat, but I don\'t think I, I think it\'d be very, it, it\'d be very hard to like everywhere you go you think that the disability policies following you, right? You\'re always looking over your shoulder.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:58:01 Yeah. I can\'t do the stuff outside because the guy might see me. Yeah, that\'s true. Cool. Well thanks for being on. I think it helps. You have a real story. I mean it\'s just, I mean I, I think everyone who\'s got a real story about it, about a thing, is it helpful to somebody, you know?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:58:20 Yeah, no, for sure. I know for me, like the mental part of it was just such an important component and it was really like, I think that\'s true. Obviously any injury, and I don\'t know if that\'s something you\'ve done podcasts on her, but that would be something to get people\'s stories. I\'m sure it comes up. Just seemed like every conversation you have though, like with somebody about an injury is there, everybody has completely different experience, you know, but those five stages. I really, truly think that most people go through that with any kind of significant, whether it be overused, something that, you know, just takes you out of like running for like a considerable length of time or something acute. Definitely think everybody goes through that and it\'s such an important part of recovery.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:58:58 Yeah, I totally agree. And I think they all, I think the, the, I think all the injuries kind of have it. And although you might be talking about a labryour labrI would hope that people that like you interact with your patients, it\'s like, they\'re like, She\'s experienced something not to, but it\'s not like, oh, she doesn\'t have a knee problem. She doesn\'t understand. It\'s like, I\'m sure you understand, you know?
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 00:59:22 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Which is, yeah. So that\'s actually, I guess at the end of the day it\'s kind of helped me just in terms of like talking with patients and getting things across. You know what I mean? I\'ve been through this. You will get through it. It\'ll take time and you\'ll have days where you\'re just pissed off at the world. But do the right things and it\'ll, it\'ll come. It\'s just so frustrating. You can scare them back into reality and just say that here\'s the thing you could do if you had a labral tear in it stayed painful. That\'s true. Paddle boat. Yeah. Darts. Ice skating? Oh yeah. MMM hmm.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:01:00:01 God, this is hard. I don\'t know how w what do you do with it? An art. Wait, you said you couldn\'t run? No one could it, this is the, jocelyn was like super bothersome. Okay. Got It. That makes sense. God, you can\'t do anything. You could probably cycle if you\'re one of those people who who right. Yeah. Yeah. But you could beat, you could beach cruise. That\'s why people started beach cruising. Yeah. But yeah, I can\'t, I can\'t like, like that.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 01:00:29 It has to be like full throttle or nothing. You got to chill. Just got to chill a little bit. Well, and that\'s kind of thing I had to, you know what I mean? So it was good. Maybe in that way, it definitely made me realize how important is being able to use my body is to me. Right. But I definitely appreciate everything a whole lot now. Even things I don\'t like to do. I\'m like, well, I\'m going to do that for a few years ago. I can\'t wait to hear all that list. Yes, definitely. It\'s a long one. You\'re probably going to reverse people into like, oh, you\'re right. I don\'t want to get better. I don\'t want to do any of that stuff ever again. That\'s my plan. do you, do you want anyone to reach you? Do you want it, you don\'t have to give up your information if you don\'t want to. you totally can.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 01:01:21 I have like, so actually I\'m a writer too, just like on my own time and I actually wrote like a couple of posts about like my injury and one specifically, I think it was before my surgery, but it was like those five stages of grief, I kind of went through them. So, I don\'t know if that would be something that would like, it has resonated with just like some people that have read it like you\'re that I know. so I, that can be something I can provide as well. Yeah, I think that\'d be good. I\'m going to look it up right now. Personal trainer, I can send it to you up via email if you\'d like. Yeah, let\'s do that. Is it on, is it on your website? It\'s odd to have a blog. I\'m here, I\'ll find it. It\'s called California dreaming.wordpress.com. Hella? Fornia? Yeah, California. But Halifornia. Is that two L\'s in hell? Nope. Just one h a l i. hali wordpress.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 01:02:23 Okay. So yeah, send me a link to that and then I\'ll also apply with everybody. I think that\'d be great. I\'d, I\'d like to, I\'d like to read it and just see,
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 01:02:32 yeah, no, I love to like pass that out and if more people can, and I\'d like to hear like other people\'s experience with that and if they can find a relate to those kind of five stages.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 01:02:42 Yeah, that\'d be great. I think that, just a is a real quick side note. I think one of the, one of the best responses of any article that I wrote was I wrote one about an oblique strain that I had. And people still contact me, probably once every couple of weeks. Like just someone randomly somewhere who\'s experienced that, who were like, oh my God, I read your story. And like they have all the things that, what do I do? And, right. So they, they, I think they just feel the connection, you know, so I think it helps people, I think yours people.
Sebastian Gonzales DC:01:03:13 Yeah. And that was kind of, yeah, my, kind of hope and writing it to, couldn\'t do anything. So I was like, I can type it your diary basically just tell you all my deepest, darkest secrets. Yes. I can\'t wait to read this now. God can get your way for sure. Well, thank you for being on. There was great. Cheers. Thank you so much and all, yeah, continue to listen. It\'s great. Great stuff.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 01:03:40 Perfect. Thanks. Don\'t go anywhere yet. Okay. Okay. Deal. Thanks Olivia. So much for being on. That was great. Thanks for sharing your story. That\'s I never would\'ve thought the running thing, honestly. I didn\'t, they didn\'t even think about it. So everyone, if you would like to read her article, I have not read it at the time of releasing this podcast, but I am going to read it. I\'m very soon and I did the link to it in the show notes as well. So I really do think there\'s a big mental part of recovery that I think a lot of people that need to get through and sometimes need some hand holding, which I don\'t mean that in a bad way. I mean it in a good way. And sometimes they just need to be enlightened that that is a natural process is occurring.
Sebastian Gonzales DC: 01:04:17 They need to feel that it\'s okay to, to grieve and be angry and so on. So that\'s okay. And so reader article, see what she has to say about it because I think, the more we become in tune with, our thoughts around, the injury, your injury, if you have had an issue, then I think the better off we\'re going to be in, the more more set we will be to actually accept some type of correction or recovery strategy that you can get from a healthcare provider just like her. So, lead people better and how you found them. And if you\'re dating, dating Eagle Scout, and I will see you guys next week.
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